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Terrible reasoning. Harvard example doesn't make sense lol, you're making it seem like the difference between North philly and LKSOm is the difference between harvard and temple. Their median MCAT is 520+. With the information we have, we have no reason to believe there is that drastic of a difference in the statistics across the two schools.

When there isn't that big of a difference in stats, you should apply to the school with more seats but you should make your own decision
I was using an analogy to explain your flawed reasoning, as fewer seats does not correlate with harder to get into. The schools in Philly, DC, Boston all have ~2% acceptance rates because of the fact that they are located in desirable cities. So I am confident that North Philly campus would be much harder to get into than the Bethlehem campus for this reason. Not trying to argue, just trying to help people’s understanding of why these schools are low yield and why a place like Bethlehem would be different.

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I was using an analogy to explain your flawed reasoning, as fewer seats does not correlate with harder to get into. The schools in Philly, DC, Boston all have ~2% acceptance rates because of the fact that they are located in desirable cities. So I am confident that North Philly campus would be much harder to get into than the Bethlehem campus for this reason. Not trying to argue, just trying to help people’s understanding of why these schools are low yield and why a place like Bethlehem would be different.

According to this poster, 200 seats at north philly vs 30 at St. Luke's. Your advice in general to apply to St. Luke's because it is "easier" to get into is bad anyway. Temple is all about fit. You should apply to whichever school is a better fit for your application.

If you don't have an application that reflects the type of student they envision at St. Luke's campus, you will not be accepted to that school. The people who specifically choose St. Luke's do so because they think they're a better fit for a campus like Bethelem than North Philly. If you aren't one of those people, north philly is your campus.
 

According to this poster, 200 seats at north philly vs 30 at St. Luke's. Your advice in general to apply to St. Luke's because it is "easier" to get into is bad anyway. Temple is all about fit. You should apply to whichever school is a better fit for your application.

If you don't have an application that reflects the type of student they envision at St. Luke's campus, you will not be accepted to that school. The people who specifically choose St. Luke's do so because they think they're a better fit for a campus like Bethelem than North Philly. If you aren't one of those people, north philly is your campus.
Never advised anyone to apply to St. Luke’s. Just responding to your point that you’d recommend applying to a school with 200 seats vs 30, because I think that is a very misleading way to describe the differences between the 2 campuses. I completely agree that it should be more about fit, just saying # of seats means nothing if you don’t know # of applicants. And I’m fairly certain the acceptance rate at North Philly is lower than Bethlehem, regardless of # of seats.
 
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Let me offer an informed (and maybe slightly biased) perspective on the St. Luke's campus, and feel free to message me.

If you want to live and work in an urban environment, apply to the Philly campus, Bethlehem is not for you. It's fairly small at 75k people, and neighboring Allentown is bigger at 125K people. For this reason St Luke's campus attracts a certain type of candidate and I would say 90% of the students are very happy with their choice. There are a lot of corn fields and Door Dash at 11 pm probably ain't happening. But in whatever limited free time you have there is a lot to do. The town has more festivals than anywhere I've ever been. Look into Musikfest which is happening right now it's pretty cool. If you're looking for concerts the local casino has a decent sized arena with some cool shows. Looking for sport events or other concerts on the weekend, Hershey and Philly are both under 90 minutes.

Regarding the hospital and neighboring facility I find it top notch. Yes I know what a big urban hospital looks like, I have a lot of clinical experience at one. There are almost no specialties or procedures here you would not be able to experience. I sat in on some really cool daVinci robotic procedures a few weeks ago. There's a level 1 trauma center. Any outpatient clinical rotations not at the hospital are just a few minutes away. As far as curriculum, you have access to the same material and lectures as the students in Philly as they're all recorded and no one goes to live lectures anyway. For fourth year the only rotation I wouldn't get to experience locally is opthamology, would have to do an away rotation for that.

As far as research goes, there are opportunities in almost every specialty. You are not going to get to do wet lab research, but if that's what you want to do then you should be at a different school and not even the Philly campus. You're going to be doing chart reviews, meta-analysis, systematic reviews, etc. No shortage of publication opportunities, the preceptors are super helpful in publication guidance.

I can't comment on the ratio of applicants per seat for the two campuses, not privvy.

(apologies in advance for my long post)

Thanks for sharing. As someone who attends the Philly campus at LKSOM, I definitely agree with Philly being favorable for people who like more urban environments, but there are also some things you said that are a bit misleading.

It’s not correct when you say no one goes to lecture in person. Since the majority of lectures are offered in person at the Philly campus, there are a considerable amount of students who go if that’s the learning style they prefer. If not, then the recorded option is also available. I think a benefit of the Philly campus is that you at least have the option to go in person or stream it virtually. St. Luke’s does have pre-clinical lectures held in person then streamed for the Philly students, but those are very uncommon (maybe a handful per block). My friends who go to St. Luke’s have said they like virtual learning, so I guess if that is something an applicant is already comfortable with, then that’s great since the majority of your classes will be streamed lectures from the Philly campus (so you get the same lecture based pre-clinical education). For people who want options or are unsure what kind of learning they prefer, the Philly campus can provide that freedom.

Also I think it’s misleading to dissuade applicants from going to the Philly campus if they want to do basic science/ wet lab research. There are PLENTY wet lab research opportunities at the Philly campus. The medical school building is actually home to several PhD programs that are apart of the school of medicine (the old medical school building next door also has additional research labs). Many of the PhD faculty lecturers at LKSOM are engaged in basic science research here. In addition to being a two mile drive (or 4 subway stops) away from Temple main campus, there are even more research opportunities at your disposal with MD and PhD faculty who do research in clinical medicine and basic science/wet lab research in partnership with physicians at Temple Health and other institutions. There also is the Fox Chase Cancer center which i yet another source of research in clinical medicine and basic science.

When it came time to look for research here, there was no shortage of positions and all of my classmates who wanted to do research and wanted to stay local had found paid positions here in their specialty/area of interest. The questions was more of “will I find the exact research I want” rather than “will I find research at all”. And that is true for wet lab and clinical research, some just required a bit more effort to find. Overall, there is no shortage of opportunity simply based off proximity to the PhD programs/labs, Temple Health, Temple main campus labs, Fox Chase Cancer Center and the many PhD and MD faculty affiliated with Temple Health, LKSOM and Temple undergrad and graduate schools nearby. I will also add by saying St. Luke’s students are also able to access these opportunities, however, some of them do require an in person attendance (especially with wet lab research).

I would also add that the demographics of the surrounding community in North Philly and Bethlehem are vastly different. Both campuses do share the same mission/ values, but the North Philly area is primarily made up of racial and ethnic minorities while Bethlehem is the opposite. This is a fact. If someone’s priority is to work and serve primarily medically underserved racial/ethnic minority communities during medical school, North Philly would be the place if you had to pick one campus over the other. I say that based on the demographic make up of the communities the campuses reside in.

I definitely recommend anyone who needs information about either campus to reach out or get it from someone who goes to that campus. I wouldn’t be able to speak to the experience at St. Luke’s, but would be happy to share any insight about the Philly campus!
 
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When I applied last year, they didn't send out regular updates really. Just a secondary invitation and a receipt from the secondary fee lol.
 
When did they start sending interviews in the past?
 
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it's so weird i took casper 6/11, submitted 7/13, and on the portal they still said they dont have my casper score... i emailed them today but is anyone else having the same issue?
 
it's so weird i took casper 6/11, submitted 7/13, and on the portal they still said they dont have my casper score... i emailed them today but is anyone else having the same issue?
And you're sure you selected them on the Casper website for score distribution?
 
Im an OOS and submitted 7/11 and took Casper 6/27. I still haven’t received a secondary from Temple. I pass the minimum stats for a secondary, should I call them?
 
Im an OOS and submitted 7/11 and took Casper 6/27. I still haven’t received a secondary from Temple. I pass the minimum stats for a secondary, should I call them?
OOS, I received and submitted my secondary before I even took Casper so that was not what held up mine but I submitted my primary app 5/30 and was verified a couple days later so they might just be behind in sending them out?
 
As someone who attended both Temple main and St Luke's campuses, some of the takes in here from the non-St Luke's students are a bit amusing.

I know easily a hundred or more St Luke's students/graduates, and to a person they love their school and their experience there. I'm willing to bet that anyone unhappy at St Luke's never actually spent time at main campus to be able to draw comparisons. Obviously if you need to live in a top 10 city, it's not the right choice for you and you will be unhappy. If you're fine with mid-sized city with a slower pace, but still access to NYC or Philly on the weekends if you want, it's great. Yes, it's disappointing that pre-clinicals are no longer offered in person there as a much higher % of St Luke's students attended in person lectures (even when at Temple) than the "Temple on Broad" kids did. I personally never attended a single lecture my entire medical school career, and I personally think it's a waste of time and inefficient unless you're someone who needs that external structure in order to study. If you are, then by all means pick main campus.

Largely I think that pre-clinical lectures are probably the least important aspect of medical school. To me, where med schools distinguish themselves is in clinical education and admin support. In both of those St Luke's is head and shoulders above Temple main. I have some of my old attending's phone numbers and they still text me to check in on me even now that I'm gone. During the stress of match season one of the deans texted me just to have a catch up and hang out. When it had been 2 months since the away rotation where I knew my eval started with "Best Med Student EVER!" but it still wasn't added to my transcript the day my MSPE was due, that same dean called main campus to read them the riot act and got it added 10 minutes later and probably was a key element in my matching so well. So many of the people I know at Temple succeeded despite administration, at St Luke's we succeed because of them. They know your name, have your back, and always have a minute to hear you out or help bend the rules to solve a problem.

As far as patient demographics, the Lehigh Valley is 60%ish White, 30% hispanic (same as N. Philly), and 6% black. If your goal in medical school is to work with almost exclusively minority medically underserved then, yes, by all means N. Philly is your choice. If you're happy to work with medically underserved and impoverished no matter their race, you will have ample opportunity at St Lukes. Your FM, GYN, and Peds (outpatient) rotations in particular will be at FQHC look-alike clinics which almost exclusively treat (hispanic) minority patients. Additionally they've resurrected the student led health clinic which will also give you ample opportunity to work with underserved if that's where your interests lie.

Also, St Luke's is $10K a year cheaper, so there's that...
 
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Hey everyone! I had sent temple my casper scores before even receiving the secondaries. I received the secondary yesterday and my casper is showing as not received. Has anyone had this issue and did it fix by itself in few days or should I get in contact with admissions and acuity insights. Thank you!
 
Hey everyone! I had sent temple my casper scores before even receiving the secondaries. I received the secondary yesterday and my casper is showing as not received. Has anyone had this issue and did it fix by itself in few days or should I get in contact with admissions and acuity insights. Thank you!
You can contact Temple about accessing your scores.
 
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Hey everyone! I had sent temple my casper scores before even receiving the secondaries. I received the secondary yesterday and my casper is showing as not received. Has anyone had this issue and did it fix by itself in few days or should I get in contact with admissions and acuity insights. Thank you!
i had a similar problem, and when i emailed admissions, they said to wait a few days for it to update. this was also after i had submitted my secondary, so i’m not sure if they wait to process/update your score until you submit your secondary.
 
i had a similar problem, and when i emailed admissions, they said to wait a few days for it to update. this was also after i had submitted my secondary, so i’m not sure if they wait to process/update your score until you submit your secondary.
Thanks for answering. Did it fix itself in a few days or did you have to contact CASPer?
 
I know that Temple does a holistic review, but is it worth paying that $100 and submitting my secondary here if my GPA/ MCAT is below average for this school? I do however have really great EC activities, work experiences, LOR and I'm a former athlete. Also, I do fit the mission and I'm URM
 
I know that Temple does a holistic review, but is it worth paying that $100 and submitting my secondary here if my GPA/ MCAT is below average for this school? I do however have really great EC activities, work experiences, LOR and I'm a former athlete. Also, I do fit the mission and I'm URM
Yes, of course you should. Resist the temptation to doubt yourself
 
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+1 OOS II! Also at 3AM lmao. Complete 7/14. For North Philly. Also only dates I see are 9/12, 9/13, 9/14, 9/19, 9/20, 9/19
 
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+1 OOS II this morning. Showed up in my spam folder, fyi everyone.
 
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+1 IS II on 9/1! (Yes, it was at 3 AM.) I was complete early August or late July, IIRC. LM 72, nontrad, North Philly campus
 
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current ms1, feel free to ask any questions !
 
Any of the St. Luke's ED applicants get interview invitations yet, or has it just been North Philly so far? Thanks!
 
How was your interview experience? :)
pretty standard, as in the majority of interviews will be relaxing and conversational. lksom has a blind, open-file, and group community interview. blind was barely about medicine and mostly discussed my background and hobbies. open-file will address things on your app and give you a chance to elaborate on any good or bad areas. even with a bad area, if it was truly a red flag then you wouldn’t have even received the interview in the first place so its really just an opportunity to explain any minor shortcomings. community interview was stress-free as well, just to see how you would integrate into a community like philadelphia
 
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I received an email with payment confirmation, but did anyone receive an email that your application was complete?
 
how's that first block treating you? my friend is at the other campus and she's dying lol
it took a little bit to adjust to the pace and volume of material, but i think mostly everyone figures it out fairly quickly into the block. lksom also has a ton of internal resources shared from previous classes which helps ease the transition. above all, the p/f grading makes it much more manageable haha

edit: if options are on the table, please do yourself a favor and choose a p/f school lmao
 
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For those interviewing this week, did they send you a time slot yet? Or just the date?
i know a current student who said they send a complete schedule with links about a day before i think? she did mention that there is lots of down time in between the different sessions
 
Getting a little nervous here... has anyone applying for regular (not early decision) admission to the St. Luke's campus received an II? I'm wondering if the St. Luke's campus has their own admission timeline separate from North Philly campus.
 
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Getting a little nervous here... has anyone applying for regular (not early decision) admission to the St. Luke's campus received an II? I'm wondering if the St. Luke's campus has their own admission timeline separate from North Philly campus.
I'm right there with you Tuxedo, I applied ED to St. Luke's and haven't received an II or any other update since submitting my secondary and getting the verification email that all of my materials were received. IIRC, St. Luke's has its own admissions team so that's why the North Philly folks got their II's separately than the St. Luke's applicants. Will keep y'all posted and please keep us posted as well fellow St. Luke's applicants!
 
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Getting a little nervous here... has anyone applying for regular (not early decision) admission to the St. Luke's campus received an II? I'm wondering if the St. Luke's campus has their own admission timeline separate from North Philly campus.
in the same boat
 
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FYI for anyone interviewing soon: the email with my schedule and zoom links for the interview day went to my spam. i received it this afternoon, interviewing tomorrow
 
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I have my interview tomorrow and just wanted to double check that the Zoom link at the very top of the email they sent is the one to join for Meet and Greet at 9am and the tour at noon. Thanks in advance!
 
I have my interview tomorrow and just wanted to double check that the Zoom link at the very top of the email they sent is the one to join for Meet and Greet at 9am and the tour at noon. Thanks in advance!
yep that’s the link! they keep the room open all day and you can also pop in there if you have technical difficulties or to mingle with other applicants (not required though). also if you would like to eat during the tour, the tour guides during mine said we were welcome to. i don’t think any of us was prepared for that so no one ended up eating lol
 
yep that’s the link! they keep the room open all day and you can also pop in there if you have technical difficulties or to mingle with other applicants (not required though). also if you would like to eat during the tour, the tour guides during mine said we were welcome to. i don’t think any of us was prepared for that so no one ended up eating lol
Lol thanks! I will keep the lunch note in mind! I was gonna splurge and get takeout for lunch after my interview as a celebration but I’ll probably be pretty hungry if I wait
 
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