Two years after leaving med school.

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Nucleus Accumbens said:
From what a prof said in a lecture regarding the single payer system, it is unlikely that they would allow the physician force to retain that debt AND give them a greater than 60% pay cut.


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Is your professor Donald Trump? Fake news otherwise...
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Blessthefall said:
Single payer in the US is very unlikely to happen within the foreseeable future. The private insurance organizations are an extremely powerful lobby within the US and I would expect that they're jaded following the fallout of the ACA. So please, simmer down there.
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There's a difference between hope and reality. If single payer system buys vote, it's going to happen.
 
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You're getting a lot of hate on here...not sure if you're message came off how you wanted it to. But as long as you're happy. Still, a lot of people pay for med school themselves so I don't know how they would survive if they quit..if your parents paid for your school im not sure you can quite relate to a lot of med students.
 
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Glad for OP. Its good to find whats important in each of our lives.
 
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68PGunner said:
There's a difference between hope and reality. If single payer system buys vote, it's going to happen.
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Why would it happen now, when it has failed to happen for the last hundred years? Also what about this country makes you think that the social safety net is getting any stronger?

In my lifetime we have eliminated cash welfare, we have effectively ended private sector unions, most states have switched to at will employment, we privatized a good chunk of K-12 education through the charter school system, we have shut down almost every mental health facility in the country, we mostly stopped subsidizing college education, we watched the effective minimum wage get cut in half by inflation, and we have brought back non-dischargeable non-criminal debt for the first time since the American revolution. Right now the only additional changes that Congress is proposing are cuts to Medicaid and food stamps. We're closer to Victorian England than universal healthcare and the trajectory doesn't seem to be changing.
 
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Perrotfish said:
Why would it happen now, when it has failed to happen for the last hundred years? Also what about this country makes you think that the social safety net is getting any stronger?

In my lifetime we have eliminated cash welfare, we have effectively ended private sector unions, most states have switched to at will employment, we privatized a good chunk of K-12 education through the charter school system, we have shut down almost every mental health facility in the country, we mostly stopped subsidizing college education, we watched the effective minimum wage get cut in half by inflation, and we have brought back non-dischargeable non-criminal debt for the first time since the American revolution. Right now the only additional changes that Congress is proposing are cuts to Medicaid and food stamps. We're closer to Victorian England than universal healthcare and the trajectory doesn't seem to be changing.
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It's like you're saying everything I'm listening to.
 
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Perrotfish said:
Why would it happen now, when it has failed to happen for the last hundred years? Also what about this country makes you think that the social safety net is getting any stronger?

In my lifetime we have eliminated cash welfare, we have effectively ended private sector unions, most states have switched to at will employment, we privatized a good chunk of K-12 education through the charter school system, we have shut down almost every mental health facility in the country, we mostly stopped subsidizing college education, we watched the effective minimum wage get cut in half by inflation, and we have brought back non-dischargeable non-criminal debt for the first time since the American revolution. Right now the only additional changes that Congress is proposing are cuts to Medicaid and food stamps. We're closer to Victorian England than universal healthcare and the trajectory doesn't seem to be changing.
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Were the excesses of the french monarchy exceedingly egregious before the revolution? Maybe change at this level occurs more as a snap as compared to the normal progression of history? Reaching 25-40% unemployment as a result of the pending AI displacement of jobs is bound to shake the current world order up. But i completely agree with you that our safety nets are not really safety nets anymore.
 
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whizatphys said:
Hey all-

I've recently connected with a handful of medical students on the fence regarding their medical education and it led me to revisiting the YouTube video I posted on here just two weeks after leaving an allopathic US medical school in 2015, at the end of my second year (link below)..



The metamorphosis that I have undergone since making the decision to leave medicine has been extremely profound. You might recall that I posted a video some months ago about my progress in tutoring etc.; today, I am working two jobs -- one full-time, and another part-time. The full time job is in Sales Engineering and my salary is 75k per year. The other job is developing for a new test-prep company, launching later this summer.

Aside from flourishing in various aspects of my current work, I have taken quite a liking to running and, in October, I will be running a half-marathon in support of the Parkinson's Disease Foundation. I wake up each day looking forward to what lies ahead -- something that would have seemed preposterous to me assuming my former predicament as a student yearning to detach from the medical umbilicus.

All is well, and I wish the same for each of you.

Best-
RP
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Chelsea FC said:
weren't you the one who had your parents take the brunt of your loans which made leaving easier and then jokingly say you would kill yourself if you were like the rest of us who have tons of loans and no rich parents to help us out... Real classy gem you are
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Foot Fetish said:
No offense , but why do you continue to visit and make posts on a forum for student doctors if you are so happy with your new life? This, coupled with the fact that you felt the need to divulge your current income, suggests that you feel regret for quitting medicine.
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zukunft195 said:
OP, if you're so happy about your decision to drop out of medical school, why have you spent two years desperately trying to convince a community of pre-meds, med students, and physicians (read: a community that you're not a part of anymore) that you're content with your life?
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OP got badly roasted in this thread.

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If this fails, we always have this: List of burn centers in the United States - Wikipedia
 
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Perrotfish said:
Why would it happen now, when it has failed to happen for the last hundred years? Also what about this country makes you think that the social safety net is getting any stronger?

In my lifetime we have eliminated cash welfare, we have effectively ended private sector unions, most states have switched to at will employment, we privatized a good chunk of K-12 education through the charter school system, we have shut down almost every mental health facility in the country, we mostly stopped subsidizing college education, we watched the effective minimum wage get cut in half by inflation, and we have brought back non-dischargeable non-criminal debt for the first time since the American revolution. Right now the only additional changes that Congress is proposing are cuts to Medicaid and food stamps. We're closer to Victorian England than universal healthcare and the trajectory doesn't seem to be changing.
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Unfortunately, the mass is wakening up to this new future of Victorian England. Donald Trump is the beginning. At the end of the day, the mass outnumbers the educated and rich by millions in shear number. Good luck trying to convince these folks to get an education in order to get a decent job nowadays. Oh, Daddy AI from Facebook and Google will reduce the # of jobs even further, pissing off even more people and increasing the # of paupers in this country.

I think the pendulum toward the popular mass is coming when it comes to politics.
 
libertyyne said:
Were the excesses of the french monarchy exceedingly egregious before the revolution? Maybe change at this level occurs more as a snap as compared to the normal progression of history? Reaching 25-40% unemployment as a result of the pending AI displacement of jobs is bound to shake the current world order up. But i completely agree with you that our safety nets are not really safety nets anymore.
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Our overlords are already devising the Matrix in order to tame the mass when 25-40% unemployment is a reality.

What safety nets are we talking about here?
 
68PGunner said:
Unfortunately, the mass is wakening up to this new future of Victorian England. Donald Trump is the beginning. At the end of the day, the mass outnumbers the educated and rich by millions in shear number. Good luck trying to convince these folks to get an education in order to get a decent job nowadays. Oh, Daddy AI from Facebook and Google will reduce the # of jobs even further, pissing off even more people and increasing the # of paupers in this country.

I think the pendulum toward the popular mass is coming when it comes to politics.
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We were doing so well with the entire thread! 4 pages and no trump reference, till now.


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Perrotfish said:
Why would it happen now, when it has failed to happen for the last hundred years? Also what about this country makes you think that the social safety net is getting any stronger?

In my lifetime we have eliminated cash welfare, we have effectively ended private sector unions, most states have switched to at will employment, we privatized a good chunk of K-12 education through the charter school system, we have shut down almost every mental health facility in the country, we mostly stopped subsidizing college education, we watched the effective minimum wage get cut in half by inflation, and we have brought back non-dischargeable non-criminal debt for the first time since the American revolution. Right now the only additional changes that Congress is proposing are cuts to Medicaid and food stamps. We're closer to Victorian England than universal healthcare and the trajectory doesn't seem to be changing.
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Yeah.. But at the same time Birth Control is now "free", an open socialist ran for president last election with a platform of "free" education and "free" healthcare - and he nearly won the primary election of one the two major political parties in our country. A city in California is attempting to have "free" community college. There are places in the country that now have a $15 per hour minimum wage, while wages for many careers have either stagnated or declined. Expansions have been made to Medicaid and Medicare. Many Bernie fans have a loud voice, a lot of time on their hands, and seem adamant on getting "free" college and healthcare. I don't see those aspirations dying anytime soon. The trend of the country is definitely heading toward socialism, at least it is for now. Unless the next 4 or 8 years can change any of that momentum.
 
Panis et Circenses said:
Yeah.. But at the same time Birth Control is now "free", an open socialist ran for president last election with a platform of "free" education and "free" healthcare - and he nearly won the primary election of one the two major political parties in our country. A city in California is attempting to have "free" community college. There are places in the country that now have a $15 per hour minimum wage, while wages for many careers have either stagnated or declined. Expansions have been made to Medicaid and Medicare. Many Bernie fans have a loud voice, a lot of time on their hands, and seem adamant on getting "free" college and healthcare. I don't see those aspirations dying anytime soon. The trend of the country is definitely heading toward socialism, at least it is for now. Unless the next 4 or 8 years can change any of that momentum.
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I would rather have socialism than the crooked bs capitalism that Trump is proposing in DC.
 
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Panis et Circenses said:
A socialist who doesn't work.. Would you look at that...
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Why are you, a premed, here in the adult forum talking about tax and social policies? Don't you have better things to worry about, like the MCAT? Fake tiger here...

Speaking of socialism, I, on my current trajectory, is more likely to pay the bill for your hopeless endeavor at getting into medical or dental school.

Stop yapping your nonsensical gum.
 
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There are some stuff that are called deduction and IRAs. Go educate yourself and get off that breast milk before you come back here and talk to me about tax and politics.
 
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68PGunner said:
There are some stuff that are called deduction and IRAs. Go educate yourself and get off that breast milk before you come back here and talk to me about tax and politics.
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Yeah, since I have spent years of my life working a real job, something you've probably never done. But keep up with your false assumptions dude!
 
Panis et Circenses said:
Yeah, since I have spent years of my life working a real job, something you've probably never done. But keep up with your false assumptions dude!
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A Premed is talking about working at a real job for years. Now you're just trolling me... keep it up.
 
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Getting back on topic,

I've always wondered for those of us with/planning to take out loans if it would feasible to give those who leave medical school after X amount of years for whatever reason a sort of consolation prize-- some master of science or something to help with addressing the presumably huge loans one would incur. It's hard to say if that's feasible or even if it's right/wrong-- I guess the assistant physician Missouri program is some hybrid of that idea.
 
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Perrotfish said:
Why would it happen now, when it has failed to happen for the last hundred years? Also what about this country makes you think that the social safety net is getting any stronger?

In my lifetime we have eliminated cash welfare, we have effectively ended private sector unions, most states have switched to at will employment, we privatized a good chunk of K-12 education through the charter school system, we have shut down almost every mental health facility in the country, we mostly stopped subsidizing college education, we watched the effective minimum wage get cut in half by inflation, and we have brought back non-dischargeable non-criminal debt for the first time since the American revolution. Right now the only additional changes that Congress is proposing are cuts to Medicaid and food stamps. We're closer to Victorian England than universal healthcare and the trajectory doesn't seem to be changing.
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This is all true, but eventually we're going to run into the cold, hard wall of demographic transformation and a permanent democrat/socialist majority. Mass immigration has ensured it. The demographics are already baked in to flip Texas blue, the only question now is exactly when it will happen. Same thing with Arizona, it's just a matter of time, and while I haven't seen any population structure analyses of these two states my guess is that it will happen within 10 years for both.

Once the 'rats are secure in their one party state, you will see a rapid reversal of the changes you noted above. The prevailing strategy of the top and the bottom against the middle will be ratcheted up to new extremes. What is left of the middle class will be squeezed dry to pay off the ever expanding underclass and thus allow the elites to continue feeding at the trough.

Still, this will take time. We certainly won't get single payer during the next 4 years of the Trump administration. After that, the chances that the Republicans lose the White House and get decimated in the House and Senate by a big enough margin to allow the 'rats to push through single payer immediately are small. Realistically, we're looking at 8 years at the minimum until the 'rats can pass single payer, worse case scenario.

So in 2024 single payer is passed. It will probably take them at least a decade from the time the bill is signed to actually transition from private insurance to single payer. Obamacare was signed in 2010 and still hasn't finished the implementation process, and with single payer we're talking about a far more dramatic transformation, one that can reasonably be expected to take even more time.

Let's say by 2030 single payer is firmly in place. They won't want to gut physician salaries right off the bat, because that would potentially create massive disruption in healthcare delivery as the better off physicians retire early, what's left of private practice closes down, and massive discontent within physician ranks manifests itself as, eh...substandard patient experiences. They will prefer to take the boiling frog approach to destroying the American healthcare system and slowly acclimatize people's expectations rather than suffer the political repercussions of taking the "flipping a switch" approach.

With all that said, I'd estimate 2035 is the earliest possible arrival date of the worst case 'socialized medicine, 50% paycut' scenario. I'll be finished with training by 2023 or 2024, so I'll have around a decade to work the most undesirable holiday and weekend shifts, in the worst and most hard to staff locations I can find, and stash cash. If I can make an average of 500k for 10 years I'll be home free and be sipping mojitos from the deck of my catamaran by age 40, watching the clusterfck of socialized America from a safe distance.
 
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I wish op success and happiness. My only advice might be to be a good listener and maintain a good friends and family support system. I commend you on your dedication to exercise. It is a very smart decision.


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Blessthefall said:
Single payer in the US is very unlikely to happen within the foreseeable future. The private insurance organizations are an extremely powerful lobby within the US and I would expect that they're jaded following the fallout of the ACA. So please, simmer down there.


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Okay blessthefall..."guys like you make us look bad"...just kidding wanted to see if youd get it...actually tho I have heard single payer is both likely and very unlikely from various sources so who knows what will happen really
 
ZakEm said:
Okay blessthefall..."guys like you make us look bad"...just kidding wanted to see if youd get it...actually tho I have heard single payer is both likely and very unlikely from various sources so who knows what will happen really
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I'm familiar with your reference, well done!



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To keep this on topic and from becoming a flame war, Panis et Circenses and 68PGunner have had reply bans on this thread instated. Thanks, and let's keep it professional.
 
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I think we can establish by the lack of OP interaction that she is eating the attention up.


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I really only see two scenarios here:

1) The OP may or may not be as happy as she claims, but she wants to pop back in now and then to let others, who are often few in number and often told to keep going, that you can leave medical school and get your life in line in another direction (maybe something like the original thread could be pinned with other posts like this so the OP can update in the same thread, but also, so people looking for it can find it without using the search). Being open about what happened to her loans is a fair thing and shouldn't be knocked. It would be misleading to tell others considering life outside of medicine that she dropped out and paid off her own loans with the job she mentioned-- unless that actually happened. Bottom line: OP could want to let others know that there are people who leave medicine and get a job elsewhere and feel happier than when they were in school.

2) The OP isn't happy and wants reassurance. If this is the case, why let it bother you? You could offer support or let the thread die instead of getting in your two cents that make you feel good about yourself. If the OP isn't happy, what do you get out of trying to bash her (aside from your internet buddies liking your posts and confirming that you're the biggest kid on the playground)? Bottom line: why kick someone when you think they're down? Why not just ignore it if you don't like it?

I think 1 is far more likely than 2, but that's just my opinion. I don't see why OP would come to a forum filled with people who are usually hypercritical to look for reassurance instead of people who would likely support her.
 
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So what happened to her in med school? Did she fail out or just decide that medicine wasn't for her? Don't five students for every 100 fail out?
 
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Update us in 10 years......
 
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