Podiatry becoming more non surgical at major metro areas

[JewOnThis]

Please excuse any typos since I am writing this on my phone. I have came across multiple MSGs/hospitals/universities that have joined forces to keep podiatrists from performing surgeries. These podiatrists are all ABFAS cert. with some that have lectured and published. Some of these podiatrists have been with the same company for more than a decade.


Anyone else noticing a trend or all these podiatrists just so happened to be ”unlucky”?

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[wakaflocka88]

I have not personally. I’m in a large metro city with multiple hospital and MSG systems with employed pods. They’re all as busy as they want to be. In what ways have they tried to limit what pods can do?

Please excuse any typos since I am writing this on my phone. I have came across multiple MSGs/hospitals/universities that have joined forces to keep podiatrists from performing surgeries. These podiatrists are all ABFAS cert. with some that have lectured and published. Some of these podiatrists have been with the same company for more than a decade.


Anyone else noticing a trend or all these podiatrists just so happened to be ”unlucky”?

 

[JewOnThis]

One of the largest MSG in state has taken away all surgical privileges from their podiatrists. A well known medical school has also taken away surgical privileges from their podiatrists.

 

[dtrack22]

One of the largest MSG in state has taken away all surgical privileges from their podiatrists. A well known medical school has also taken away surgical privileges from their podiatrists.

Which group and which school?

 

[JewOnThis]

Which group and which school?

This may sound ridiculous, but I do have connections with that school since it is a part of a residency program. Therefore, I do not want it published on SDN. One of their foot and ankle Otho pods has lectured in many pod seminars. Which is quite surprising that he ultimately helped the university take away surgical privileges from podiatrists.

 

[Shiyuan]

Perhaps it was Podiatry University of the Carribbean?

But in all seriousness that’s pretty disturbing.

 

[Feli]

It's a valid point, but it is dog-eat-dog in any major metro... both ortho vs podiatry and podiatry vs podiatry. Everyone knows this. There are definitely groups of F&A orthos (esp university) that have agreed - usually informally - not to train or hire DPMs... or PP F&A orthos who have been instructed by their owners (usually general ortho) to not train or work with podiatrists - even if they would be fine with it on an individual level.

I have not heard of any MSGs or hospitals changing privileging in broad strokes. It could always happen under new management, but it is usually just done in rare individual cases where a doc is having a lot of concerning outcomes or malpractice (but that's the case in every specialty). I think any reports of discrimination against DPMs are usually kinda cognitive bias, like shark attacking surfers or school shootings or covid killing a healthy 30 year old: very very rare in actuality, but we are frightened by them nonetheless since they imprint our mind when we hear of them (usually exaggerated stories).

...Honestly, to put it in perspective, if it is a metro area (aka 1mil plus minimum population), who cares about one hospital? Almost any PP pod is going to be on at least 2 or 3 hospital systems (sometimes 5+ hospitals and ASC), and you can bet all of the rest of their facilities will love the added case volume. If it is a hospital that employs full-time DPMs, they would be out of their mind to lose those docs and that revenue when they spent much money and time for hiring and supporting and training them. That is a risk you take with hospital employ, though... it is "safe" due to benefits and decent base salary, but you have put all of your eggs in one boss/admin basket also (unless it's a region with no non-compete and you have money tucked to start solo nearby).

The only time it would actually matter to lose privileges at a single hospital or system (for random non-disciplinary admin/politics reason) might be in a town where there is only one or two medical centers, but those ones are generally just glad to have "providers" at all and happy to have the cases and services in those areas. I can't see some 30 or 50 bed 'hospital' removing or limiting podiatry surgery (for all one or two or three DPMs on their staff? haha) just because some general ortho says podiatrists are quacks and he will do all of the F&A cases, incl wound care and amps lol.

It is nothing to worry about. There is plenty of work to go around. But again, metro areas and certain other well-insured popular HCOL areas are dog-eat-dog... in almost every medical specialty. You will see much wider income ranges for specialists based on how well they play the game. You will see associate mills and hospital politics and backdoor referral deals and fierce competition for patients and insurances. There will be some rough politics and some underhanded tactics from both within and outside your own specialty. Tale as old as time.

 

[JewOnThis]

Throughout my career, I rarely had issues with MDs. But now, I feel like there are more limitations on what we can do as “surgeons”. A well known hospital system in Florida just stopped all podiatrists from performing rearfoot and ankle surgeries. I am part of a residency program which is considered “high power” and we just lost 5 surgical podiatrists (for now) because the MDs don’t want us doing surgeries anymore.

 

[PTPuser]

Please do let us know when you feel comfortable, so us students can cross that off our potential extern programs. Thank you.

 

[dtrack22]

This may sound ridiculous, but I do have connections with that school since it is a part of a residency program. Therefore, I do not want it published on SDN.

It’s not ridiculous I guess, but it makes this whole thread is just one big pointless rumor.

Nobody can confirm anything you say and nobody who might like to avoid working for this system or participating in these residency programs can do so.

I would add that facilities or health networks in big metros limiting privileges is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Having practiced in a very large metro, I had multiple hospital network options and a half dozen or so nearby surgical centers where I could take cases. One system had stopped letting podiatrists do almost all ankle surgery, I just didn’t take cases to their facilities. It wasn’t a big deal. This type of discrimination on privileging/credentialing would be a much bigger deal in smaller cities and rural communities. There is always a group, center, network in big metros who want the $$$ you bring bad enough to let you do what you’re trained to do.

 

[CutsWithFury]

Please excuse any typos since I am writing this on my phone. I have came across multiple MSGs/hospitals/universities that have joined forces to keep podiatrists from performing surgeries. These podiatrists are all ABFAS cert. with some that have lectured and published. Some of these podiatrists have been with the same company for more than a decade.


Anyone else noticing a trend or all these podiatrists just so happened to be ”unlucky”?

Please see my thread on the AOFAS and AAOS agenda. I predicted this. I am the podiatry nostradamus

The AAOS and AOFAS agenda

Listen ladies and gents. Our profession is losing. Bigger and bigger hospitals that are well respected are now hiring podiatrists but for one specific purpose. To do all the things that no one else wants to do. Job postings like this tells us what the AAOS and AOFAS really think about our...

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[JewOnThis]

It’s not ridiculous I guess, but it makes this whole thread is just one big pointless rumor.

Nobody can confirm anything you say and nobody who might like to avoid working for this system or participating in these residency programs can do so.

I would add that facilities or health networks in big metros limiting privileges is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Having practiced in a very large metro, I had multiple hospital network options and a half dozen or so nearby surgical centers where I could take cases. One system had stopped letting podiatrists do almost all ankle surgery, I just didn’t take cases to their facilities. It wasn’t a big deal. This type of discrimination on privileging/credentialing would be a much bigger deal in smaller cities and rural communities. There is always a group, center, network in big metros who want the $$$ you bring bad enough to let you do what you’re trained to do.

Taking away ankle privilege is one thing, but to stop all existing pods from performing any kind of surgeries is crazy. Especially, when we have been doing surgeries at these facilities for over 25 years?

 

[msion]

Then I am sure Ortho/Gen Surg are thrilled to do I&Ds and amps late at night.
Even in major metro areas nobody wants these cases. Especially on the ones without insurance or medicaid.

 

[Feli]

...I would add that facilities or health networks in big metros limiting privileges is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Having practiced in a very large metro, I had multiple hospital network options and a half dozen or so nearby surgical centers where I could take cases. One system had stopped letting podiatrists do almost all ankle surgery, I just didn’t take cases to their facilities. It wasn’t a big deal. This type of discrimination on privileging/credentialing would be a much bigger deal in smaller cities and rural communities. There is always a group, center, network in big metros who want the $$$ you bring bad enough to let you do what you’re trained to do.

Yes... this is what I was trying to state also. ^^

In big cities, there are a lot of options. I could honestly care less about the facilities or even systems that want to limit qualified DPMs... that's their loss. Those will always exist since metros are competitive. Nothing new.
The real glaring problem are the facilities that let DPMs with little/no surgical training or consistently poor ethics/outcomes keep operating... those make us all look badly (judged by lowest common denominator).

...JOT, if you are pitying the hospital's employed docs or residents or whatever that changes the OR rules for DPMs were implemented, then that is too bad... but it is also reality. Their eggs are all in that hospital or hospital system's basket. Whenever you work for one hospital or one group or etc, you are at the mercy of these things. It is wise to investigate the leadership and financial stability of the system before employ or residency, but things can change almost overnight. Employed hospital docs should have connections for contingency jobs. Residents should have a strong enough system to get surplus numbers easily if facility/attendings are lost... or even jump ship to another program in worst case. Business is just like dating in that past loyalty or actions or results does NOT create 'relationship equity' of any sort going forward. That is a myth. It is all about 'what have you done for me lately' and things can change fast... with the same admin getting new ideas - and especially with a new admin (or puppetmaster getting in their ear). Those be the breaks.

So yes, you are screwed if owner/admin changes are unfavorable, if the company gets in financial trouble, if fraud/abuse shuts down the group, etc etc etc. Be prepared to be screwed and have options in the wings. My group could theoretically go bankrupt or get shut down tomorrow for MCR issues or have the owner/admin go awol after taking out a bunch of loan shark money to bet in Vegas or something. Similarly, even if you are "in control" as main owner/partner or solo PP or a contractor with multiple avenues of income, you are at the mercy of competition coming into your area or the area itself having an economic slump. I know good owner docs who were damaged badly from various Detroit hospitals shutting down or changing leadership during the 08/09 economy (significantly affecting the office they had in/near that facility and neutering referrals/consults they got there). That's just how a capitalist system works. All we can do is make hay while the sun in shining. The docs you refer to losing RRA or all surgery at that system will land on their feet, they will learn from it, they will take their cases elsewhere, and the system will lose the revenue. The residents will survive too. I have a feeling there is more to the story, but again, we are discussing a rumor.

 

[dtrack22]

but to stop all existing pods from performing any kind of surgeries is crazy.

If that’s actually happening

Especially, when we have doing surgeries at these facilities for over 25 years?

What facilities?

You have to see the problem with the entire premise of your OP right?

 

[DYK343]

If it were huge multisystem issue we will hear about it.

Making a post then being hush hush is fear mongering until proven otherwise

Its like the little kid that runs around saying "I got a secret!"

I'm not worried or affected.

 

[heybrother]

We're going to hear good things and bad things. During my residency I heard way too much about 2 programs that got killed for no good reason. One fired its pods without explanation. One got killed over a ridiculous issue related to how they credentialed their MD residents.

I'm currently operating intermittently at a place that hasn't let a pod in the door in years and also just hired a pod.

Things happen. Some will be good and some will be bad. The hope is for positive progress. Time will tell. If we actually are valuable places will want us.

 

[wakaflocka88]

One of the largest MSG in state has taken away all surgical privileges from their podiatrists. A well known medical school has also taken away surgical privileges from their podiatrists.

I find it hard to believe. I mainly operate out of two large hospitals with the occasional surgery center in my area and they are always telling me to bring more cases to their facility. It’s not impossible to ban us but I doubt they want to lose a stream of revenue.

 

[dtrack22]

I should add, I recently came across several large health networks that operate in mid sized cities who are actively recruiting podiatrists (but not publishing job posts). They are offering $50k sign on bonuses, $280k base salaries with a 5,600 wRVU threshold and a $53/wRVU pay rate once you’ve hit the threshold. Benefits include fully funded 401k and $20k in student loan repayment each year you are employed. Surgical privileges are offered.

And before anyone asks, no, I can’t tell you where these jobs are located…

 

[air bud]

I should add, I recently came across several large health networks that operate in mid sized cities who are actively recruiting podiatrists (but not publishing job posts). They are offering $50k sign on bonuses, $280k base salaries with a 5,600 wRVU threshold and a $53/wRVU pay rate once you’ve hit the threshold. Benefits include fully funded 401k and $20k in student loan repayment each year you are employed. Surgical privileges are offered.

Nice little bonus there.

 

[msion]

Podiatry is profitable for both surgery centers and hospital systems. The insurances may pay us **** but hospitals will still get to charge a decent facility fee. Most of our cases are quick. Unless you are putting on frames and take 8 hours for every case, then I don't see how a DPM can be banned from operating. And if in the most extreme and rare cases that does happen, there will be another facility wanting those fees.
As far as Ortho, yeah I mean the competition is always there and I am sure some hate us. But we all got our different skill sets to offer. I lost appetite for big recon cases now due to low reimbursement. Sure those cases would fullfill my ego, but money talks. If I get consulted on an ORIF, I would do it. But I won't actively look for them like how I did back in residency.
I am very confident that I can get all the Orthos in the hospital to let us do BKAs, if needed. Most if not all despite amputation I&D type surgeries. One actually got furious for being consulted on knee I&Ds and asked me why I refused to see them when he saw me in the lounge lol

I recently came across this article. This is a perfect example demonstrating the above.

 

[heybrother]

Podiatry is profitable for both surgery centers and hospital systems. The insurances may pay us **** but hospitals will still get to charge a decent facility fee. Most of our cases are quick. Unless you are putting on frames and take 8 hours for every case, then I don't see how a DPM can be banned from operating. And if in the most extreme and rare cases that does happen, there will be another facility wanting those fees.
As far as Ortho, yeah I mean the competition is always there and I am sure some hate us. But we all got our different skill sets to offer. I lost appetite for big recon cases now due to low reimbursement. Sure those cases would fullfill my ego, but money talks. If I get consulted on an ORIF, I would do it. But I won't actively look for them like how I did back in residency.
I am very confident that I can get all the Orthos in the hospital to let us do BKAs, if needed. Most if not all despite amputation I&D type surgeries. One actually got furious for being consulted on knee I&Ds and asked me why I refused to see them when he saw me in the lounge lol

I recently came across this article. This is a perfect example demonstrating the above.

Feels strange to see what we do being discussed.

 

[JewOnThis]

I find it hard to believe. I mainly operate out of two large hospitals with the occasional surgery center in my area and they are always telling me to bring more cases to their facility. It’s not impossible to ban us but I doubt they want to lose a stream of revenue.

I was shocked at first when I found out. Some medical schools are federally funded and can be considered as closed systems meaning they don’t have to let any qualified or unqualified candidates operate.

 

[king22]

I'm sorry, without specifics I call BS (with all due respect). That, or at the minimum we're missing a HUGE piece of information.

As other posters have noted, podiatric surgery is generally a money maker for most hospitals/asc. We do relatively quick, low risk cases. I can't fathom a hospital system deciding to cut off this stream of revenue.

 

[NobodyDPM]

This is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Hospitals can't just specify one specialty and yank privileges because they feel like it. There has to be a legally recognized reason. Otherwise, the podiatrists in the area should launch a class action lawsuit against the hospital system. Especially if it is large and one of the only option locally for these podiatrists. Basically claim that the hospital system is preventing them from earning as much as they could because of their policies.

Just FYI, there is a large Orthopedic group in the South Jersey/Philadelphia area that hires podiatrists but doesn't allow them to do any surgery. It is a bizarre situation, but they pay very well, and have a contingent of podiatrists who work for them.

 

[Boba Foot]

Just FYI, there is a large Orthopedic group in the South Jersey/Philadelphia area that hires podiatrists but doesn't allow them to do any surgery. It is a bizarre situation, but they pay very well, and have a contingent of podiatrists who work for them.

Sounds like Jefferson/Rothman

 

[Shiyuan]

The odd thing with Rothman is some of their pods are ABFAS qual/cert... if non-surg, how in the heck do they maintain their numbers?

EDIT: Turns out Rothman now has 2 podiatrists in their “surgeon” category 👍🏻

 

[CutsWithFury]

The odd thing with Rothman is some of their pods are ABFAS qual/cert... if non-surg, how in the heck do they maintain their numbers?

Most got certified at other jobs accruing cases and then decided they rather clip nails and earn a reasonable salary, get benefits and have a 401k. So they joined one of the more prestigious ortho groups on the east coast.

I know one DPM there who did that. He’s thrilled to not be in PP podiatry anymore.

 

[NobodyDPM]

Most got certified at other jobs accruing cases and then decided they rather clip nails and earn a reasonable salary, get benefits and have a 401k. So they joined one of the more prestigious ortho groups on the east coast.

I know one DPM there who did that. He’s thrilled to not be in PP podiatry anymore.

Weeeeelllll, I know one of them personally, as well. He went over to Rothman after Rothman basically told him that they are opening an office next door to his office. Then they told him that if he wouldn't join them, they would just hire another podiatrist and do everything they could to take all his business away from him. Shady.

 

[NobodyDPM]

The odd thing with Rothman is some of their pods are ABFAS qual/cert... if non-surg, how in the heck do they maintain their numbers?

EDIT: Turns out Rothman now has 2 podiatrists in their “surgeon” category 👍🏻

I just looked at their website and could not find that. Do you have a link?

 

[CaptainCool]

I just looked at their website and could not find that. Do you have a link?

Just for kicks I googled and it looks like Rothman is currently looking for a surgical podiatrist in Jersey City (saw on indeed)

 

[NobodyDPM]

Just for kicks I googled and it looks like Rothman is currently looking for a surgical podiatrist in Jersey City (saw on indeed)

And they no longer have Nick or Chuck on their website. Very strange.

 

[air bud]

I would have zero faith in their long term committment to a pod. Rent, don't buy.

 

[NobodyDPM]

I would have zero faith in their long term committment to a pod. Rent, don't buy.

If you bought their company line, and didn't mind being an assembly line doctor, they actually kept people around for a good while.

They were courting one of our residents for a time. This resident told them flat out that she wasn't interested, because they wouldn't let her do surgery. They then said they would reconsider, for her, but apparently when she saw the contract it basically said she couldn't. She told them to shove it, and it REALLY pissed them off. To the point where they tried to intervene with her getting hospital privileges. I heard this all second hand, so not sure how true it is, but for a group that hires podiatrists, they seem to despise our profession.

 

[CaptainCool]

If you bought their company line, and didn't mind being an assembly line doctor, they actually kept people around for a good while.

They were courting one of our residents for a time. This resident told them flat out that she wasn't interested, because they wouldn't let her do surgery. They then said they would reconsider, for her, but apparently when she saw the contract it basically said she couldn't. She told them to shove it, and it REALLY pissed them off. To the point where they tried to intervene with her getting hospital privileges. I heard this all second hand, so not sure how true it is, but for a group that hires podiatrists, they seem to despise our profession.

I knew two guys who have worked at Rothman for like 10 years. They both like it, they said the only downside is pressure to churn through patients but apparently it pays well. As far as non surgical jobs go it’s probably pretty sweet and has to beat associate mills

 

[NobodyDPM]

I knew two guys who have worked at Rothman for like 10 years. They both like it, they said the only downside is pressure to churn through patients but apparently it pays well. As far as non surgical jobs go it’s probably pretty sweet and has to beat associate mills

Did they leave? Do you know where they ended up?

 

[ExperiencedDPM]

If you bought their company line, and didn't mind being an assembly line doctor, they actually kept people around for a good while.

They were courting one of our residents for a time. This resident told them flat out that she wasn't interested, because they wouldn't let her do surgery. They then said they would reconsider, for her, but apparently when she saw the contract it basically said she couldn't. She told them to shove it, and it REALLY pissed them off. To the point where they tried to intervene with her getting hospital privileges. I heard this all second hand, so not sure how true it is, but for a group that hires podiatrists, they seem to despise our profession.

The DPMs at Rothman are basically triage nurses. One of the PAs there is a relative of one of my friends. I met him at a party we were both attending in NY.

He said that they run stats, and once they started hiring DPMs, the orthopedic foot and ankle docs started getting a lot more cases. The DPMs are feeders for the FA orthopods.

He told me that the DPMs are even discouraged from giving injections. They don’t really do RFC, but if a patient needs an injection, they are sent to PT instead. If the patient needs orthoses, they are sent to their orthotist. If the patient needs surgery, they are sent to the MD.

Rothman is very aggressive and will book as many patients as they can. If you want a DPM appointment that day, you’ll get one.

It’s all about volume. I don’t know what they pay, but I will guess it’s decent. There are no nights, no weekends, no on, call, no emergencies, no hospital consults and no hospital privileges. It is literally a “9-5” job.

The DPMs that I’ve met at seminars who work there love to brag that they are Rothman docs, but they are not well respected. They are simply used so they can feed the FA orthopods.

One of my former residents set up shop in Philadelphia. Tried to get on staff at a surgical center. Apparently the chief of FA surgery at Rothman does a lot of cases there. And his mantra apparently is that he will not perform any cases in a facility that allows DPMs surgical privileges. And he does a LOT of cases, so there will never be a DPM on staff while he’s there.

So in my opinion, a job at Rothman sets out profession back 40 years.

 

[ExperiencedDPM]

The odd thing with Rothman is some of their pods are ABFAS qual/cert... if non-surg, how in the heck do they maintain their numbers?

EDIT: Turns out Rothman now has 2 podiatrists in their “surgeon” category 👍🏻

The “surgical” DPMs at Rothman are often DPMs who work for an ortho practice that Rothman manages but does not own. I met one of them once and he told me that his group is managed by Rothman but still has independence.

 

[Podnasty]

Got a friend working at Rothman, pretty happy, pay is excellent, benefits are great. Non-surgical, but happy without the headaches of surgery. They are turning around to notion of podiatry being able to perform surgery, even giving opportunities to the senior podiatrists to get back into it.

 

[msuDPM]

Today I googled and learned what Rothman hospital is. Thanks for always teaching me something new, east coasters.

 

[wakaflocka88]

A couple of the seasoned ortho docs in my group are well versed In what a Rothman-trained ortho is like. As they say - high volume, low quality. Like ExpDPM said above, not well respected.

 

[ExperiencedDPM]

A couple of the seasoned ortho docs in my group are well versed In what a Rothman-trained ortho is like. As they say - high volume, low quality. Like ExpDPM said above, not well respected.

Not sure I ever said Rothman isn’t well respected. They are high volume, but they do hire some very well trained orthopedic surgeons.

They have some very talented and well trained surgeons. Some of their non surgical specialists…..not so much.

 

[NobodyDPM]

The DPMs at Rothman are basically triage nurses. One of the PAs there is a relative of one of my friends. I met him at a party we were both attending in NY.

He said that they run stats, and once they started hiring DPMs, the orthopedic foot and ankle docs started getting a lot more cases. The DPMs are feeders for the FA orthopods.

He told me that the DPMs are even discouraged from giving injections. They don’t really do RFC, but if a patient needs an injection, they are sent to PT instead. If the patient needs orthoses, they are sent to their orthotist. If the patient needs surgery, they are sent to the MD.

Rothman is very aggressive and will book as many patients as they can. If you want a DPM appointment that day, you’ll get one.

It’s all about volume. I don’t know what they pay, but I will guess it’s decent. There are no nights, no weekends, no on, call, no emergencies, no hospital consults and no hospital privileges. It is literally a “9-5” job.

The DPMs that I’ve met at seminars who work there love to brag that they are Rothman docs, but they are not well respected. They are simply used so they can feed the FA orthopods.

One of my former residents set up shop in Philadelphia. Tried to get on staff at a surgical center. Apparently the chief of FA surgery at Rothman does a lot of cases there. And his mantra apparently is that he will not perform any cases in a facility that allows DPMs surgical privileges. And he does a LOT of cases, so there will never be a DPM on staff while he’s there.

So in my opinion, a job at Rothman sets out profession back 40 years.

They tried to make a stink when Jefferson "invaded" South Jersey, and were shut down immediately because of the long history of podiatry at Kennedy.

And I agree with you. They do set back our profession back. But like in many things, we do it to ourselves. No podiatrist should agree to work with them.

 

[ExperiencedDPM]

They tried to make a stink when Jefferson "invaded" South Jersey, and were shut down immediately because of the long history of podiatry at Kennedy.

And I agree with you. They do set back our profession back. But like in many things, we do it to ourselves. No podiatrist should agree to work with them.

Unfortunately, money talks. If they pay well and there are no nights, weekends, on call, etc., it is right up the alley for underachievers.

I don’t know anything about the Kennedy system. But I do know the power of Jefferson and Rothman. If Rothman really wanted podiatry shut down at Kennedy, it would have happened. If Rothman ends up with a very strong presence at Kennedy, it may very well still happen some day. At the very least, Rothman will have dedicated ORs for their use only.

Rothman brings huge money to any hospital and they have enough clout to call the shots. It’s unfortunate but true……money talks.

 

[ExperiencedDPM]

Today I googled and learned what Rothman hospital is. Thanks for always teaching me something new, east coasters.

Rothman isn’t a hospital. It’s a large orthopedic group that originated in Philadelphia and now has its tentacles in New Jersey and in NY.

 

[ExperiencedDPM]

And they no longer have Nick or Chuck on their website. Very strange.

Who are Nick and Chuck? Sounds like a morning radio team!

 

[NobodyDPM]

Unfortunately, money talks. If they pay well and there are no nights, weekends, on call, etc., it is right up the alley for underachievers.

I don’t know anything about the Kennedy system. But I do know the power of Jefferson and Rothman. If Rothman really wanted podiatry shut down at Kennedy, it would have happened. If Rothman ends up with a very strong presence at Kennedy, it may very well still happen some day. At the very least, Rothman will have dedicated ORs for their use only.

Rothman brings huge money to any hospital and they have enough clout to call the shots. It’s unfortunate but true……money talks.

Agreed. I keep telling people that, but am being ignored. Happily, Jefferson is not the only game in town here locally.

 

[NobodyDPM]

Rothman isn’t a hospital. It’s a large orthopedic group that originated in Philadelphia and now has its tentacles in New Jersey and in NY.

They're in Florida now, too. They have ads for the Orlando area, I think.

 

[wakaflocka88]

Not sure I ever said Rothman isn’t well respected. They are high volume, but they do hire some very well trained orthopedic surgeons.

They have some very talented and well trained surgeons. Some of their non surgical specialists…..not so much.

My apologies - meant to say in my area of town on the west coast, there are a couple Rothman trained ortho docs that are known to not have the best quality results.

 

[ExperiencedDPM]

My apologies - meant to say in my area of town on the west coast, there are a couple Rothman trained ortho docs that are known to not have the best quality results.

Rothman doesn’t train doctors. It’s not a residency program, it’s a large group medical practice. So I’m not sure what it means when you say they are “Rothman trained”. There may be some fellowships associated with Rothman, but it’s not a training program.