Astro Career Center and "A Roadmap for Recruiting Medical Students into Radiation Oncology during a Period of Waning Interest"

[RickyScott]

I mean DO we know? No one is able to come up with any sort of number, and everyone involved has a bias either way

this information the consultants come up with will still be rife with potential issues, but at least its something. if they can say 'the magic number of residents per year is in this ballpark' that is something. ASTRO can afford it.

I see no issue.

having it officially outlined by a credible impartial source that we need to cut supply can only be a good thing.

I guess we don’t know anything with certainty in post-truth era. Maybe Biden stole the election from Trump- most republicans believe that? And since we can’t really know, maybe we should expand resident number like Columbia? I can’t imagine what a “consultant”/ someone who knows 0 abt radiation could bring to the table, other than reaffirming the obvious.

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[deleted941485]

I guess we don’t anything with certainty in post-truth era. Maybe Biden stole the election? I can’t imagine what a “consultant”/ someone who knows 0 abt radiation could bring to the table, other than reaffirming the obvious.

Consultants are a dime a dozen. They may all say the same things but some may make the situation less dire than others. Astro will pick the one that minimizes the issue or shifts the focus to something else.

 

[Mandelin Rain]

You pay consultants to give you the answer that you're paying them to give you.

 

[deleted1116990]

You pay consultants to give you the answer that you're paying them to give you.

Hospital CEO knows this well. They pay consultants to review physician contracts and give them an expert opinion whether physician salary is legally "safe". No way the CEO could possibly wink-wink-nudge-nudge the consultant as to what they want that "safe" number to be.

Want to give somebody a bad deal but don't want the blame for it? Hire a consultant. Hey, my hands are tied. We'd sure like to keep you at your current pay, but we just got a report that says it's too risky, so unfortunately we have to cut your pay 20%. Consultant says so.

 

[deleted941485]

Hospital CEO knows this well. They pay consultants to review physician contracts and give them an expert opinion whether physician salary is legally "safe". No way the CEO could possibly wink-wink-nudge-nudge the consultant as to what they want that "safe" number to be.

Want to give somebody a bad deal but don't want the blame for it? Hire a consultant. Hey, my hands are tied. We'd sure like to keep you at your current pay, but we just got a report that says it's too risky, so unfortunately we have to cut your pay 20%. Consultant says so.

This is precisely what happens. They assign the blame and they have a “objective” party to back it up. Hospital wants to get rid of a group? Send in the consultants. Wanna cut some money losing department…hire the consultant. That’s not to say they cannot be oused to our advantage…it’s just that we suck at doing anything that’s in our best interest.

 

[Gfunk6]

SDN Rad Onc: We need to cut residency slots to prevent a catastrophic job market.

ASTRO:

 

[jondunn]

I would say Yes

The thread discussing this article was an all-time SDN Rad Onc favorite

You know the number we should match per year?

chirag shah is also on the job force panel that recommended the consulting group

the major criticism is that it took so long, but I am glad that they are taking this seriously.

 

[jondunn]

You pay consultants to give you the answer that you're paying them to give you.

i mean sure I get this criticism.

but ultimately..... like what do people expect to happen? that programs just decide to close up shop?

this is the first legitimate step to any sort of action.

the perfect (which can't even be defined) can't be the enemy of the good.

 

[TheWallnerus]

You know the number we should match per year?

chirag shah is also on the job force panel that recommended the consulting group

the major criticism is that it took so long, but I am glad that they are taking this seriously.

To prevent further job market problems we should match 120/year. To improve the job market we should match less than 120/year. The less we match under that number the faster things will improve.

My consultancy fee for this info will be $50K. I will send my invoice to ASTRO straight away.

 

[Lamount]

I guess we don’t know anything with certainty in post-truth era. Maybe Biden stole the election from Trump- most republicans believe that? And since we can’t really know, maybe we should expand resident number like Columbia? I can’t imagine what a “consultant”/ someone who knows 0 abt radiation could bring to the table, other than reaffirming the obvious.

Regardless of what ASTRO ultimately "finds", it is going to **** a bunch of people off. The probably assume that having an "outside consultant" do the research will afford a protective blanket of "impartiality".

 

[thecarbonionangle]

I know people are suspicious because ASTRO and “leaders” have not built trust. However, we cannot be mad that nothing was done but when something is done also suspicious and mad. You got to let Dr. Shah do his thing. And the backstabbing Hallahan/Lee of the world who wrote hit piece editorials for blood bath article must be loving it, surely. Where is the mea culpa from these “leaders” and why do they still have any credibility or standing?

Guess who is back, back again! Big man Dr. shah in da house!

 

[jondunn]

I know people are suspicious because ASTRO and “leaders” have not built trust. However, we cannot be mad that nothing was done but when something is done also suspicious and mad. You got to let Dr. Shah do his thing. And the backstabbing Hallahan/Lee of the world who wrote hit piece editorials for blood bath article must be loving it, surely. Where is the mea culpa from these “leaders” and why do they still have any credibility or standing?

Guess who is back, back again! Big man Dr. shah in da house!

Yes.

 

[deleted941485]

To prevent further job market problems we should match 120/year. To improve the job market we should match less than 120/year. The less we match under that number the faster things will improve.

My consultancy fee for this info will be $50K. I will send my invoice to ASTRO straight away.

Little more proactive…say 75/year to make up for the years of expansion.

Maybe that’s good for society because then academia can warp speed FLASH therapy and finally drive the silver steak into the heart of all RO like they’ve always wanted to.

 

[RadOncDoc21]

I’ll go extreme and say we need to subtract jobs from practicing physicians. I’ll likely be sacraficing my own livelihood but I’m down for the cause… viva La revolucion!

 

[medgator]

Radiation Oncology Physician - St. Anthony Hospital - Lakewood, CO - Lakewood, CO 80228 - Indeed.com

Centura Health

www.indeed.com

On the job ad it says "*If you do not see the pay range for this position listed, you are on a third-party job board. All our pay ranges are posted on our careers site www.centura.org/careers. Please visit our careers’ page and apply today!"

So, when you go to Centura's website, you find the ad. Ok, fine.

Careers | Centura Health

provider-centura.icims.com

Except you get this:

Minimum Pay USD $17.00/Hr. Hiring Maximum Pay USD $12.15/Hr.

A nonsensical pay range. Even if it made sense, obviously fake numbers for a rad onc and laughing in the face of the law.
But wait, there's more. If you actually apply for this job, the application forces you to enter your "expected pay" as a number. There is no option to enter a character other than a number to put a range, or type something like negotiable or depends on volume or something like that. The only way to submit the application is type a number like 500000 or something like that. So they are advertising a job in a state that has a law that requires employers to disclose pay ranges and they have weaseled their way around it and forced applicants to throw the first number out (which any used car dealer will tell you you NEVER do). LOL. I guarantee you some admin is rank sorting applications by that column.

https://careers.astro.org/jobs/. Most recent Co jobs do mention a maximum hourly wage of $283

 

[Ray D. Ayshun]

Just a week until Match day. Somewhat disconnected now, so wondering thoughts on applicant pool, expectations etc.

 

[fiji128]

Update of the current Astro Career Center Job posting on 04/01/2022 (done via Astro Member search):

#32 offering pathway to technical revenue.


1) Rad Onc academics with UC Davis (Sacramento, CA).
2) Rad Onc academics with Moffitt (Tampa, FL).
3) Rad Onc employed with Enloe Medical Center (Chico, CA).
4) Rad Onc employed with Guthrie Clinic (Sayre, PA).
5) Rad Onc employed with Wellstar Health System (Atlanta, GA).
6) Rad Onc employed with Hackensack Meridian Health (Neptune, NJ).
7) Rad Onc academics with Beth Israel Deaconess (Boston, MA).
8) Rad Onc academics with UC Irvine (Orange, CA).
9) Rad Onc academics with University of Arizona, (Tucson, AZ).
10) Rad Onc private practice with Cancer Care Group (Indianapolis, IN).
11) Rad Onc private practice with Sand Lake Cancer Center (Orlando, FL).
12) Rad Onc private practice with Northwest Permanente (Portland, OR).
13) Rad Onc academics with University of Kentucky (Lexington, KY).
14) Rad Onc private practice with Lexington Clinic, $150k signing bonus. (Lexington, KY).
15) Rad Onc private practice with Baptist Health Medical Group (Louisville, KY).
16) Rad Onc academics with University of Mississippi (Jackson, MS).
17) Rad Onc employed with Centrura Health, Salary $30 to 283.02/hour? (Lakewood, CO).
18) Rad Onc academics with University of Maryland (Baltimore, MD).
19) Rad Onc academics with Virginia Commonwealth University (Richmond, VA).
20) Rad Onc academic chair at University of Kentucky (Lexington, KY).
21) Rad Onc academics with University of New Mexico (Albuquerque, NM).
22) Rad Onc employed with Providence St. Mary Medical Center (Walla Walla, WA).
23) Rad Onc employed with Abben Cancer Center (Spencer, IA).
24) Rad Onc private practice with Avera Medical Group (Pierre, SD and Marshall, MN).
25) Rad Onc private practice with Nuvance Health (Norwalk, CT).
26) Rad Onc employed with US Oncology (Niles, IL).
27) Rad Onc employed with US Oncology (Prescott Valley, AZ).
28) Rad Onc academics with University of Southern California (Los Angeles, CA).
29) Rad Onc community academics with Medical University of South Carolina (Murrells Inlet, SC).
30) Rad Onc private practice with Covenant Health (Morristown, TN).
31) Rad Onc private practice with Washington Permanente Medial Group (Seattle, WA).
32) Rad Onc private practice with Pacific Cancer Institute with total compensation of $550K-$575K ($400K base salary plus $150K-$175K bonus that is calculated on objective metrics and pegged to historical average volume that has been very stable) with additional professional fees earned for any incremental volume. No partnership offered in the professional practice, but there is a potential opportunity after 2 years to purchase a share of technical ownership. (Wailuku, HI).
33) Rad Onc employed with US Oncology (Tyler, TX).
34) Rad Onc employed with US Oncology (Mobile, AL).
35) Rad Onc employed with US Oncology (Springfield, OH).
36) Rad Onc academics with University of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia, PA).
37) Rad Onc private practice with Coastal Radiation Oncology Medical Group (Costal, CA).
38) Rad Onc employed with Marshfield Medical Center (Eau Claire, WI).
39) Rad Onc community academics with Duke (Orangeburg, SC).
40) Rad Onc academics with Duke (Raleigh/Durham, NC).
41) Rad Onc private practice with Springfield Clinic (Springfield, IL).
42) Rad Onc employed with US Oncology (Exton, PA).
43) Rad Onc employed with Geisinger (Wilkes-Barre, PA).
44) Rad Onc employed with Summit Health (Bloomfield and Saddle Brook, NJ).
45) Rad Onc employed with Methodist Health System (Omaha, NE).
46) Rad Onc employed with US Oncology (Blairsville, GA).
47) Rad Onc community academics with UPenn (Lancaster, PA).
48) Rad Onc private practice New York Cancer and Blood Specialists (Queens, NY).
49) Rad Onc private practice with Summa Health (Akron, OH).
50) Rad Onc private practice with Michiana Hematology Oncology (Mishawaka, IN).
51) Rad Onc private practice with AdvenHealth Palm Coast (Palm Coast, FL).
52) Rad Onc employed with Southern Ohio Medical Center, Salary $584k (Portsmouth, OH).

 

[Neuronix]

Update of the current Astro Career Center Job posting on 04/01/2022 (done via Astro Member search):

#32 offering pathway to technical revenue.

Is that legit? Isn't that job posted every 1-2 years?

 

[deleted1111261]

Update of the current Astro Career Center Job posting on 04/01/2022 (done via Astro Member search):

#32 offering pathway to technical revenue.


1) Rad Onc academics with UC Davis (Sacramento, CA).
2) Rad Onc academics with Moffitt (Tampa, FL).
3) Rad Onc employed with Enloe Medical Center (Chico, CA). Probably pretty good, middle of nowhere.
4) Rad Onc employed with Guthrie Clinic (Sayre, PA).
5) Rad Onc employed with Wellstar Health System (Atlanta, GA) - *** this looks like a good opportunity.
6) Rad Onc employed with Hackensack Meridian Health (Neptune, NJ).
7) Rad Onc academics with Beth Israel Deaconess (Boston, MA).
8) Rad Onc academics with UC Irvine (Orange, CA).
9) Rad Onc academics with University of Arizona, (Tucson, AZ).
10) Rad Onc private practice with Cancer Care Group (Indianapolis, IN). probably pretty good.
11) Rad Onc private practice with Sand Lake Cancer Center (Orlando, FL).
12) Rad Onc private practice with Northwest Permanente (Portland, OR).
13) Rad Onc academics with University of Kentucky (Lexington, KY).
14) Rad Onc private practice with Lexington Clinic, $150k signing bonus. (Lexington, KY).
15) Rad Onc private practice with Baptist Health Medical Group (Louisville, KY). probably pretty good.
16) Rad Onc academics with University of Mississippi (Jackson, MS).
17) Rad Onc employed with Centrura Health, Salary $30 to 283.02/hour? (Lakewood, CO). I know the lead here, will be great opportunity.
18) Rad Onc academics with University of Maryland (Baltimore, MD).
19) Rad Onc academics with Virginia Commonwealth University (Richmond, VA).
20) Rad Onc academic chair at University of Kentucky (Lexington, KY).
21) Rad Onc academics with University of New Mexico (Albuquerque, NM).
22) Rad Onc employed with Providence St. Mary Medical Center (Walla Walla, WA).
23) Rad Onc employed with Abben Cancer Center (Spencer, IA).
24) Rad Onc private practice with Avera Medical Group (Pierre, SD and Marshall, MN).
25) Rad Onc private practice with Nuvance Health (Norwalk, CT).
26) Rad Onc employed with US Oncology (Niles, IL). Good location in north suburbs, wonder why having hard time filling.
27) Rad Onc employed with US Oncology (Prescott Valley, AZ).
28) Rad Onc academics with University of Southern California (Los Angeles, CA).
29) Rad Onc community academics with Medical University of South Carolina (Murrells Inlet, SC).
30) Rad Onc private practice with Covenant Health (Morristown, TN).
31) Rad Onc private practice with Washington Permanente Medial Group (Seattle, WA).
32) Rad Onc private practice with Pacific Cancer Institute with total compensation of $550K-$575K ($400K base salary plus $150K-$175K bonus that is calculated on objective metrics and pegged to historical average volume that has been very stable) with additional professional fees earned for any incremental volume. No partnership offered in the professional practice, but there is a potential opportunity after 2 years to purchase a share of technical ownership. (Wailuku, HI). seems too good to be true.
33) Rad Onc employed with US Oncology (Tyler, TX).
34) Rad Onc employed with US Oncology (Mobile, AL).
35) Rad Onc employed with US Oncology (Springfield, OH).
36) Rad Onc academics with University of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia, PA).
37) Rad Onc private practice with Coastal Radiation Oncology Medical Group (Costal, CA).
38) Rad Onc employed with Marshfield Medical Center (Eau Claire, WI).
39) Rad Onc community academics with Duke (Orangeburg, SC).
40) Rad Onc academics with Duke (Raleigh/Durham, NC).
41) Rad Onc private practice with Springfield Clinic (Springfield, IL).
42) Rad Onc employed with US Oncology (Exton, PA).
43) Rad Onc employed with Geisinger (Wilkes-Barre, PA).
44) Rad Onc employed with Summit Health (Bloomfield and Saddle Brook, NJ).
45) Rad Onc employed with Methodist Health System (Omaha, NE).
46) Rad Onc employed with US Oncology (Blairsville, GA).
47) Rad Onc community academics with UPenn (Lancaster, PA).
48) Rad Onc private practice New York Cancer and Blood Specialists (Queens, NY).
49) Rad Onc private practice with Summa Health (Akron, OH). Good lead chief here, worth exploring.
50) Rad Onc private practice with Michiana Hematology Oncology (Mishawaka, IN).
51) Rad Onc private practice with AdvenHealth Palm Coast (Palm Coast, FL).
52) Rad Onc employed with Southern Ohio Medical Center, Salary $584k (Portsmouth, OH). Best meth in Midwest.

Bolded comments above.
I like that you do this - one critique - working for a hospital isn't private practice. It may seem similar, but it is not really. I am employed by a hospital currently. It is very different than my private practice job. It is the difference between you owning a business and a business owning you.

 

[fiji128]

Is that legit? Isn't that job posted every 1-2 years?

Ya it is posted every so often, maybe 2 or 3 times in past 5 years? Have never seen it advertise the compensation or technical buy in before.

 

[deleted1116990]

Is that legit? Isn't that job posted every 1-2 years?

It is. It was offered back in the fall. I am not sure what they are looking for, but they seem to be taking their time. I applied and actually got a very kind response that basically said they inundated with applicants. In other words, I suspect your C.V. needs to be littered with rockstar name recognition. I am surprised by the compensation. I had heard it was significantly lower than that somewhere else.

 

[deleted1116990]

Working for a hospital isn't private practice. It may seem similar, but it is not really. I am employed by a hospital currently. It is very different than my private practice job. It is the difference between you owning a business and a business owning you.

Well said.

This is one of the biggest lies I was ever told. When I started my first job out of residency at a hospital, a disgruntled med onc colleague explained to me how we were in fact private practice doctors and needed to act as such. Unfortunately his fantasy led to numerous unrealistic expectations on my part and lessons learned the hard way about what it means to work for a hospital.

 

[medgator]

It is. It was offered back in the fall. I am not sure what they are looking for, but they seem to be taking their time. I applied and actually got a very kind response that basically said they inundated with applicants. In other words, I suspect your C.V. needs to be littered with rockstar name recognition. I am surprised by the compensation. I had heard it was significantly lower than that somewhere else.

There has been recent turnover however, would check private forum for more info, always good to talk to the recent docs that have left a practice

 

[radoncftw]

Bolded comments above.
I like that you do this - one critique - working for a hospital isn't private practice. It may seem similar, but it is not really. I am employed by a hospital currently. It is very different than my private practice job. It is the difference between you owning a business and a business owning you.

Can you elaborate on the differences in terms of the day to day. Has it changed how you practice etc? Less incentive?

 

[Mandelin Rain]

Ain't nothing like being your own boss.

 

[temujim]

Is that legit? Isn't that job posted every 1-2 years?

Heard through the grapevine the practice is sketch but no direct knowledge

 

[medgator]

Is that legit? Isn't that job posted every 1-2 years?

Discussed in private forum iirc. Turnover every few years isn't a good sign

 

[fiji128]

Bolded comments above.
I like that you do this - one critique - working for a hospital isn't private practice. It may seem similar, but it is not really. I am employed by a hospital currently. It is very different than my private practice job. It is the difference between you owning a business and a business owning you.

Ya it’s kinda hard to tell with the different variations. Very few strictly private practice jobs where the clinic/machines are owned outright by a rad onc group. Then you have the small to very large medical groups that have rad onc, which is technically private practice. And then there are the ultra large groups like the ones that staff Kaiser that are technically also private practice. A lot of the time the ads aren’t really specific in terms if you will be working for a group or a hospital/health system. And, yes, Portsmouth OH has excellent meth.

 

[deleted1111261]

Just as an example, people are generally not “employed” by US Oncology. Few prominent members on this board can explain that better. They are much closer to private practice than for example my last few jobs.

 

[medgator]

Ya it’s kinda hard to tell with the different variations. Very few strictly private practice jobs where the clinic/machines are owned outright by a rad onc group. Then you have the small to very large medical groups that have rad onc, which is technically private practice. And then there are the ultra large groups like the ones that staff Kaiser that are technically also private practice. A lot of the time the ads aren’t really specific in terms if you will be working for a group or a hospital/health system. And, yes, Portsmouth OH has excellent meth.

Just as an example, people are generally not “employed” by US Oncology. Few prominent members on this board can explain that better. They are much closer to private practice than for example my last few jobs.

Correct, @fiji128 is missing that group, major one is McKesson/US oncology which also bought former vantage practices in 2015, essentially leading to a hybrid where the docs are PP but essentially JV or have McKesson/US oncology manage the technical side of the practices where they also own a major stake. There's also the 21C/Genesis care model, i get a sense that's also closer to private than "employed"

 

[seper]

Genesis is employed. Don’t get the say in day-to day operations.
However , their compensation structures does include some “shares”

 

[TheWallnerus]

Correct, @fiji128 is missing that group, major one is McKesson/US oncology which also bought former vantage practices in 2015, essentially leading to a hybrid where the docs are PP but essentially JV or have McKesson/US oncology manage the technical side of the practices where they also own a major stake. There's also the 21C/Genesis care model, i get a sense that's also closer to private than "employed"

Will never fail to bemuse me that almost all rad oncs have gotten to a point where they ostensibly say "You know what, rather than me having any access to the technical profit that I generate, I would rather a concentrated coterie of non-physicians reap the financial rewards of my work, sweat, and liability that I take on every day."

 

[medgator]

I reported them to the Colorado Department of Labor and Employment for violation of state law. I'll let you know if I hear anything.

https://careers.astro.org/job/physician-radiation-oncology/62525851/

$30-230 an hour!!

 

[RickyScott]

https://careers.astro.org/job/physician-radiation-oncology/62525851/

$30-230 an hour!!

Radonc started in the USA at this hospital.

 

[TheWallnerus]

https://careers.astro.org/job/physician-radiation-oncology/62525851/

$30-230 an hour!!

Ironically this happens to be the number of new rad oncs we need in the US per year: between 30 and 230

 

[fiji128]

Snow Low Job still available. Just got this in a recruiter email: (No mention if an essay pledging allegiance to the DEI office is required)

Radiation Oncology – Arizona – Resort Area

Practice:

• Join and established Cancer Center.
• All imaging in one location.
• 8 – 10 new consults a week.
• Base salary of $550,000.
• Quarterly RVU and quality bonuses.
• $800,000 plus potential
• $50,000 + sign on bonus | $100,000 loan forgiveness | $15,000 relocation
• 401(k) match and highly competitive PTO, CME, and health insurances for physician and family.

Community:

• White Mountains of Arizona.
• This is not Phoenix – quiet, cool mountain air with a very distinct 4 seasons.
• Recreational wonderland with skiing, tubing, hunting, fishing camping and about every other outdoor sport imaginable.
• Public schools are nationally known for football, cross country and have well respected academics within the state.
• Plenty of shopping, antiquing, and entertainment to go around including big name acts and casinos.

 

[TheWallnerus]

Snow Low Job still available. Just got this in a recruiter email:

Radiation Oncology – Arizona – Resort Area

Practice:

• Join and established Cancer Center.
• All imaging in one location.
• 8 – 10 new consults a week.
• Base salary of $550,000.
• Quarterly RVU and quality bonuses.
• $800,000 plus potential
• $50,000 + sign on bonus | $100,000 loan forgiveness | $15,000 relocation
• 401(k) match and highly competitive PTO, CME, and health insurances for physician and family.

Community:

• White Mountains of Arizona.
• This is not Phoenix – quiet, cool mountain air with a very distinct 4 seasons.
• Recreational wonderland with skiing, tubing, hunting, fishing camping and about every other outdoor sport imaginable.
• Public schools are nationally known for football, cross country and have well respected academics within the state.
• Plenty of shopping, antiquing, and entertainment to go around including big name acts and casinos.

8 to 10 consults a week should by all rights scratch the 7 figure range

But I wouldn’t complain too much at 800K

 

[madchemist89]

800k is potential. Doesn't mean they are going to pay that with bonuses when all is said and done.

 

[temujim]

Snow Low Job still available. Just got this in a recruiter email: (No mention if an essay pledging allegiance to the DEI office is required)

Radiation Oncology – Arizona – Resort Area

Practice:

• Join and established Cancer Center.
• All imaging in one location.
• 8 – 10 new consults a week.
• Base salary of $550,000.
• Quarterly RVU and quality bonuses.
• $800,000 plus potential
• $50,000 + sign on bonus | $100,000 loan forgiveness | $15,000 relocation
• 401(k) match and highly competitive PTO, CME, and health insurances for physician and family.

Community:

• White Mountains of Arizona.
• This is not Phoenix – quiet, cool mountain air with a very distinct 4 seasons.
• Recreational wonderland with skiing, tubing, hunting, fishing camping and about every other outdoor sport imaginable.
• Public schools are nationally known for football, cross country and have well respected academics within the state.
• Plenty of shopping, antiquing, and entertainment to go around including big name acts and casinos.

ngl a tempting offer these days, especially if you're a new grad.

 

[Mandelin Rain]

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3 hours to Phoenix

 

[fiji128]

Truthfully if I was fresh out of residency I’d consider it. Non Phoenix Arizona is ridiculously good for out doors type of stuff but you have to be into that. If you need to be around hipsters and what not, ya, this job is not for you.

 

[jondunn]

Aren’t ‘hipsters’ like 45 now?

 

[fiji128]

Aren’t ‘hipsters’ like 45 now?

Or equivalent, they know who they are.

 

[deleted1111261]

This is legit. Could probably negotiate for more. I know a guy who knows a guy. It’s not a place I’d consider, but AZ is dope.

 

[deleted1116990]

This is legit. Could probably negotiate for more. I know a guy who knows a guy. It’s not a place I’d consider, but AZ is dope.

I had a phone call with them a while ago. My impression was it was yet another rural place trying to pull some shenanigans with unrealistic expectations for recruiting. There was a palpable negative tone from the clinic manager that threw up some red flags to me about how I might be treated there. It's the same old story. They want somebody who will come there, work 5 days a week, never leave their very isolated community, and be employed for MGMA median ($550k, which is what they are offering). If they get a whiff you want to work 3-4 days and go back to Scottsdale on the weekends, I doubt they are going to bring you out. I was not invited out, and I'm not sure would have gone if I were.

Do not believe the "potential" and "bonus" quoted by these kinds of places. They have so many ways of keeping you at your base.

I would say, at a minimum:

Independent billing or $800k base with 5 year guarantee, 4 days on site with a 5th day remote coverage, 40 days PTO, no payback clause for leaving.

Otherwise jobs like this are a non-starter.

 

[deleted1116990]

I had a phone call with them a while ago. My impression was it was yet another rural place trying to pull some shenanigans with unrealistic expectations for recruiting. There was a palpable negative tone from the clinic manager that threw up some red flags to me about how I might be treated there. It's the same old story. They want somebody who will come there, work 5 days a week, never leave their very isolated community, and be employed for MGMA median ($550k, which is what they are offering). If they get a whiff you want to work 3-4 days and go back to Scottsdale on the weekends, I doubt they are going to bring you out. I was not invited out, and I'm not sure would have gone if I were.

Do not believe the "potential" and "bonus" quoted by these kinds of places. They have so many ways of keeping you at your base.

I would say, at a minimum:

Independent billing or $800k base with 5 year guarantee, 4 days on site with a 5th day remote coverage, 40 days PTO, no payback clause for leaving.

Otherwise jobs like this are a non-starter.

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585 E Lazy Bear Way, Show Low AZ, is a Vacant Land home. The Rent Zestimate for this Vacant Land is $1,500/mo, which has decreased by $76/mo in the last 30 days.

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A lot of these places allow you to live very cheaply also.
Here, we have a hideous 2 million dollar new construction spec house at $450/sq ft.

WTF.

 

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All that is reasonable, but you can’t base someone at $800k, it’s far above FMV. You can structure it to make it work, but if you’ve talked to them, then I guess that’s what it was. I was told that one could reasonable get a package close to a mil.

 

[Mandelin Rain]

585 E Lazy Bear Way, Show Low, AZ 85901 | Zillow

585 E Lazy Bear Way, Show Low AZ, is a Vacant Land home. The Rent Zestimate for this Vacant Land is $1,500/mo, which has decreased by $76/mo in the last 30 days.

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A lot of these places allow you to live very cheaply also.
Here, we have a hideous 2 million dollar new construction spec house at $450/sq ft.

WTF.

Legitimately, one of the worst designed houses I’ve ever seen.

 

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Legitimately, one of the worst designed houses I’ve ever seen.

For 2M? Wtf is so special about Show Low. Is it the next Asheville or something

 

[temujim]

For 2M? Wtf is so special about Show Low. Is it the next Asheville or something

At over 6000 ft elevation, has a Mediterranean climate. If builders are putting in spec houses at 2 mil plus, no matter how it looks, reasonable amount of money floating around the area.