Any insight on this?

[footshazam]

Can you become board certified without going through residency?

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[heybrother]

Not by any certification worth having. Why would you want to practice without completing a residency?

You'll hear a lot of things on this forum and a lot of people will gripe about their residency, but the difference between a 4th year student and a resident 2 months in is a thousand miles. Graduating students are ready for residency. They are not ready for independent practice.

Yes, the world seems to be filling progressively with people who don't know what they are doing ie. nurse practitioners. When patients experience the real deal - a physician who is knows what they are doing - they vote with their feet.

 

[JustAPedicurist]

sure if you just want to cut nails probably

 

[Shiyuan]

Can you become board certified without going through residency?

 

[footshazam]

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Thank you. I didn’t think so, but somebody said that a practicing podiatrist told them that. It’s so much misinformation and lying that goes on in the field. I’m over it.

 

[heybrother]

Thank you. I didn’t think so, but somebody said that a practicing podiatrist told them that. It’s so much misinformation and lying that goes on in the field. I’m over it.

There's an expression out there - "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." In this case - I wouldn't even say stupidity so much as likely ignorance. If people aren't actively involved, talking to others, helping others, reading, etc - they are only going to know about what's going in their world. Within 1 minute of reading your post I looked at ABFAS's website to ensure they spell out a residency requirement. They do. I'm sure ABPM's website spells out their requirements also. That said, ask here and people will help you. I don't know why the person in question believed that, but its wrong. No shortcuts.

 

[Prehealth1011]

Don’t you wanna be a guaranteed surgeon that MD/DO route doesn’t unfortunately provide?

 

[heybrother]

Don’t you wanna be a guaranteed surgeon that MD/DO route doesn’t unfortunately provide?

Unfortunately, the forum does feel fairly rife with people questioning their decisions or perhaps looking back on what should be moments of joy and reevaluating them. The loans that were signed. The plans that were made. I'm certain there were all manner of conversations with parents about how successful people would be or that their son or daughter would be a surgeon. I think people will ultimately in the end have a enjoyable career, but unfortunately financial success may not come on the time table that they thought it would or to the degree they hoped.

 

[HalluxSlicer]

I know of few residents left as PGY1 or PGY2 practicing Podiatry at Private Practice. If you do 1 year of residency and pass Part 3, you are a certified physician by the State Board but not Board Certified Specialist. I'm not sure passing the ITE for ABPM during residency qualifies / certifies you as a ABPM though

 

[Adam Smasher]

I'm not sure passing the ITE for ABPM during residency qualifies / certifies you as a ABPM though

Not sure about the fringe boards, but completing a 3-year residency is the crucial criteria to get ABPM. They made a big deal a decade ago about how the modern 3-year residency + passing the test automatically gives you enough experience to not need case logs or an oral exam. Agree or disagree, those are the rules!

 

[diabeticfootdr]

CPME requires specialty boards establish a 3-year residency as one of the eligibility criteria to become certified.

 

[HalluxSlicer]

CPME requires specialty boards establish a 3-year residency as one of the eligibility criteria to become certified.

Then how are those who didn’t finish 3 year residency practicing podiatry (clinical). I know of few PGY2s who left residency and are practicing clinic podiatry at a large podiatry private practices

 

[GreenHousePub]

Then how are those who didn’t finish 3 year residency practicing podiatry (clinical). I know of few PGY2s who left residency and are practicing clinic podiatry at a large podiatry private practices

Because they're not board certified? You don't have to be board certified to practice.

 

[Feli]

Then how are those who didn’t finish 3 year residency practicing podiatry (clinical). I know of few PGY2s who left residency and are practicing clinic podiatry at a large podiatry private practices

@GreenHousePub is right...
You don't need board cert to practice... you just need a state license.

It'll be a bit problematic to get onto most hospitals or some insurances without BC or residency grad cert, but in a big group, they probably just bill them under group NPI.

...If you want the most $ the fastest, drop out after a year of residency, go to a state that'll license you, and do nursing homes.

 

[diabeticfootdr]

Then how are those who didn’t finish 3 year residency practicing podiatry (clinical). I know of few PGY2s who left residency and are practicing clinic podiatry at a large podiatry private practices

You can’t get Hospital privileges without completing a residency.

You can get a state license (in most states). You can practice in a clinic or open your own practice.

But BC isn’t necessary to bill Medicare, it is for almost all other commercial payers.

BC (or BE) is required by most hospitals for privileges.

They would be severely limited in their practice opportunities.

 

[Adam Smasher]

I don't know that a malpractice carrier would insure anyone who drops out of residency either.

 

[Retrograde_Nail]

@GreenHousePub is right...
You don't need board cert to practice... you just need a state license.

It'll be a bit problematic to get onto most hospitals or some insurances without BC or residency grad cert, but in a big group, they probably just bill them under group NPI.

...If you want the most $ the fastest, drop out after a year of residency, go to a state that'll license you, and do nursing homes.

There is literally no money in nursing homes other than looking for opportunities to cut 50 people's toenails a day or getting greedy and billing fraudulently. Not to mention the bills you will accrue from all the back surgery you will need when you are 50.

I could do one complex ex fix + charcot recon or ex fix + muscle flap case and probably make as many RVUs as someone who just cut 30-40 patient's toenails in a day.

 

[footshazam]

There is literally no money in nursing homes other than looking for opportunities to cut 50 people's toenails a day or getting greedy and billing fraudulently. Not to mention the bills you will accrue from all the back surgery you will need when you are 50.

I could do one complex ex fix + charcot recon or ex fix + muscle flap case and probably make as many RVUs as someone who just cut 30-40 patient's toenails in a day.

Everyday I learn something else discouraging and disparaging about podiatry it’s really sad and unfortunate that we aren’t really warned about this before attending school. Again I thank everyone here for the info you share

 

[heybrother]

Everyday I learn something else discouraging and disparaging about podiatry it’s really sad and unfortunate that we aren’t really warned about this before attending school. Again I thank everyone here for the info you share

Podiatry has its issues, but I'm not sure learning that nursing homes don't pay well would be the thing that breaks me.

The true bummer to me is how many of the people who posted here had to cover some nursing homes to make ends meet along the way.

 

[footshazam]

It’s not the straw that broke the camels back but it’s definitely a lot more things that I have learned over the last month that make it very hard justifying staying in this field. You must understand that for a 3rd year student it’s tough to hear this kind of information. I’m thankful I’m finding it out now so that I can make a more informed decision.

 

[HalluxSlicer]

It’s not the straw that broke the camels back but it’s definitely a lot more things that I have learned over the last month that make it very hard justifying staying in this field. You must understand that for a 3rd year student it’s tough to hear this kind of information. I’m thankful I’m finding it out now so that I can make a more informed decision.

The informed consent we did not receive when starting Podiatry school. If I knew of the existence of this forum my first week of Podiatry school, I'd have bailed in a heartbeat. Now Im stuck like all of us

 

[footshazam]

The informed consent we did not receive when starting Podiatry school. If I knew of the existence of this forum my first week of Podiatry school, I'd have bailed in a heartbeat. Now Im stuck like all of us

I knew it existed but I wasn’t looking at the right section of the forum. Should have been looking at the residency side of things to see how new grads were making it. And definitely should have looked at the Podiatry Post website (I suggest you look that one up too)!

 

[deleted1161719]

I knew it existed but I wasn’t looking at the right section of the forum. Should have been looking at the residency side of things to see how new grads were making it. And definitely should have looked at the Podiatry Post website (I suggest you look that one up too)!

Podiatry has something known as “the pod post assumption.” Basically, it goes like this…If you suggest that others read the pod post, until proven otherwise, many will assume that you one of the multiple accounts/handles of the editor of the pod post.

The pod post is seemingly the primary outlet for a massive amount of misdirected anger that began only after the editor gave up/lost/surrendered (not sure the correct verbiage) his license. I feel for the guy, but making multiple accounts and talking to yourself online can’t be healthy. You have to live with the knowledge that you did/do that. Isn’t what you think and feel about yourself more important than a vendetta (rightful or wrongful) against an entire profession!? What is the end game? You destroy podiatry? Good… now what?

I am far from perfect; I have struggled with self-respect and imposter syndrome. Setting healthy boundaries can be hard. But doing things that you intrinsically believe are dishonest is not the way to build self-respect, confidence, or heal. I still hope that Dr. PodPostEditor is able to forgive himself and lead a fulfilling life that isn’t centered around tearing something down but rather pursuing whatever his passions are. It’s not your fault buddy.

 

[footshazam]

Idk if you’re insinuating that I’m the person over podiatry post, but I’m not. I’m a 3rd year student in school. Regardless if he is using multiple accounts or not he echos some of the same things said here and things I have previously thought myself before I even learned of anything negative about podiatry.

 

[Weirdy]

Reminder to stay on topic.

 

[footshazam]

Reminder to stay on topic.

Tell him or her that commenting on this old thread lol

 

[Adam Smasher]

The OP question has been asked and answered, so the mods can, as so often occurs on SDN, lock this thread.

However to dismiss pod post as the ravings of a lunatic oversimplifies the site. On the one hand, he writes like a 6th grader. On the other hand, he graduated from UPMC in 2004 when 3 year programs were the exception not the rule.

Pod posts came about in a time when the only online forums for podiatry were PM News and SDN, which was very pro-podiatry cerca 2010. Podiatry arena seems more for Australia and UK pods. And of course there were blogs in Podiatry Today, our throwaway journal. None of these sites wanted to talk about podiatry's problems. Podiatry posts has some really unbridled negativity mixed with juvenile humor (Mooron Balance Brace, what a clever pun hahaha eyeroll), but it also shined light on things that the leadership class would all like to see swept under the rug, like Brad Bakotic's me-too reckoning.

Moral of the story, like PM News or anyone else, it isn’t gospel truth but isn’t to be ignored either.

 

[footshazam]

The OP question has been asked and answered, so the mods can, as so often occurs on SDN, lock this thread.

However to dismiss pod post as the ravings of a lunatic oversimplifies the site. On the one hand, he writes like a 6th grader. On the other hand, he graduated from UPMC in 2004 when 3 year programs were the exception not the rule.

Pod posts came about in a time when the only online forums for podiatry were PM News and SDN, which was very pro-podiatry cerca 2010. Podiatry arena seems more for Australia and UK pods. And of course there were blogs in Podiatry Today, our throwaway journal. None of these sites wanted to talk about podiatry's problems. Podiatry posts has some really unbridled negativity mixed with juvenile humor (Mooron Balance Brace, what a clever pun hahaha eyeroll), but it also shined light on things that the leadership class would all like to see swept under the rug, like Brad Bakotic's me-too reckoning.

Moral of the story, like PM News or anyone else, it isn’t gospel truth but isn’t to be ignored either.

Thank you for this response. I think you summed it up perfectly!

 

[Adam Smasher]

My question though, is it actually Robert Bijak on that site?

To rephrase your question, if someone were to falsely claim to be any podiatrist, why would they choose Robert Bijak?