Any American pharmacists who have moved to New Zealand

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Hi there

Sorry for the delay in responding.

We've been here since 18 July and received our resident visas a couple of weeks ago. So we're officially official! 5 years until we get to swear allegiance to King Charles and get our black passports.

Since I started this thread, pharmacists have been added to the "tier 1 green list" which means that anyone reading this that wants to work in New Zealand can qualify for immediate residency with a job offer. That's a way easier pathway than what we took, and oyr pathway was technically streamlined (because we didn't have to deal with the "points" system).

This is really important because hospital pharmacists especially are in huge demand. It's hard to see from outside NZ, but for example our hospital has had 2.3 FTE open for over a year. Qualified candidates for ED Pharmacy are not coming from New Zealand... If they are, they will generally need to be trained on the job as they will have had no practical training as part of their education. We have to import pharmacists from America to get qualified, experienced candidates. This problem is further compounded by the fact that we have qualified American candidates who occasionally apply, and it's a huge battle to get them a salary that is not insulting. I was lucky coming in at a much higher step than is typical, but that is because I had an equivalent high offer from another DHB as bargaining leverage.

Reading back through your posts, I can confirm that you were really spot on with your analysis of life in NZ as a pharmacist. We managed to find a small but nice new build 3br/2 ba home to rent at $615/week. Our daughter attends a wonderful Montessori preschool for a tiny fraction of what we'd be paying in the USA (we pay $650 every ten weeks here, instead of $1,600 per *month*). So immediately that offsets sone of the salary differential. Power, internet and gas bill is roughly $300 monthly. Water is not metered, and so is free (paid by the owner as a lump sum annually) as is rubbish collection.

We bought a ten year old low mileage plug in prius, which is a great car for New Zealand as it gets about 90 mpg in the city (60 on highways) and we usually only need to top up the tank every month or so. And the car was only $14,500 nzd (which aligned with the AA vaiuation) whereas the Kelly Blue Book value for the same car was around $25,000 USD.

And while the payroll tax deductions are very sightly higher in NZ, they are far less when you begin to factor in the multitudinous US deductions for insurance, social security, unemployment etc. And don't get me started on the deductibles, copays, etc that are not calculated in to payroll but still have an impact on the money you actually get to keep for yourself.

Healthcare is quite straightforward and nearly free. You register with a GP and that's essentially the only person you ever pay. A visit costs $58, but any labs, specialist referrals, procedures like radiology that come from that $58 visit, is all free. And if you have to see the GP (or go to the hospital) due to an accident, the national accident insurance kicks in and you pay less (or nothing). Ambulance rides for example are free if it's due to an accident, $90 if not. And all prescriptions, no matter what it is, cost $5. Unless you go to one of the large discount pharmacies, in which case they waive the $5 and it's free. All of the savings that come from this healthcare system are significant and need to be considered when you look at that lower salary you'll be getting. Oh, and children (under 14) are completely free.

We're going in to winter now, and it is getting a bit chilly. And the way kiwis heat their houses is that they don't fully. There's usually a heat pump or wood stove in the lounge (living room) but the bedrooms have nothing. This can be a real problem, especially if you have an older, drafty house. Colleagues have warned us about not using the heat pump excessively or we will see skyhigh power bills. Our house is constant enough with an extra wool blanket thrown on the bed.

Food is definitely a huge expense. It's shocking how much things cost at the grocery store, and it's a constant conversation and point of stress among kiwis. Costco recently opened in Auckland and there's hope that they put pressure on the kiwi grocery duopoly, driving down prices. But the general answer is but what's in said, and buy in season. One need only look at $60/kilo for USA summer limes, and now you can get NZ limes for like $3/kilo. That's a more dramatic example, but it's very true.

I really do have a lot of great colleagues at the hospital, both kiwis and migrants. The American docs especially appreciate having a pharmacist, even if the kiwi docs and nurses are not used to having us around. And little by little we are making ED Pharmacy services known, and now they are beginning to ask for us specifically, which is great. But right now I'm the only one on the team that is comfortable responding to resus so we really need to fully staff up so I can have a break once in a while :)
Thank you so much for describing your experiences on here. The information you and @sunnyandseventytwo provided has been extremely interesting and useful. The miss (ER nurse) and I are starting the process this week to move to NZ by summer of next year. Makes it much easier with pharmacists being added to the green list. I plan on taking the CAOP in November, so exact timing depends on that.

Couple questions for you, it seemed it was recommended to ship everything and sell what you don't need there rather than sell ahead of time and buy all new furniture/appliances when arriving in NZ, is that still true? Also, I am a retail pharmacist of 15 years with no hospital experience, is it difficult to change career directions now? I feel I'm burnt out of retail now and prefer a more clinical direction now. Thanks, so much again!
 
It's really a personal decision as to whether you should be "Team Burn" or "Team Ship". We ended up doing our things for several reasons.

1. I have carefully been curating my kitchen equipment for a decade. I have a specific purpose for everything in my kitchen, nothing was purchased arbitrarily. The thought of starting over was too much to bear
2. We bought a house in the US 6 years prior to the move, so our furnishings were new and nice
3. It's hard to find a wide selection of choices in New Zealand, and what you'll find here is much more expensive. For example at NZ's largest kitchen store in Taupo, their biggest KitchenAid mixer is smaller than the one I brought over.
4. The job offered a relocation package which subsidized part of the moving costs

If you have older things or aren't particular, then by all means liquidate.

As far as not having much clinical experience, this will not prevent you from getting a hospital job in NZ. Pharmacists are not trained for hospital work in school, so it's all "on the job" training here. Where it may affect you is in salary negotiations, and salaries for pharmacists are much lower here. Apparently in the USA I earned as much as NZ's prime minister (when you account for currency conversion).

If you have a PharmD that will help with salary negotiations (kiwi pharmacists are BPharm, and advanced degrees goa long way here) as well as your years of experience. Also don't be afraid to flaunt your US salary so they know not to low-ball you. We need pharmacists here, and we have to be competitive internationally.

If you want it, you can easily have a hospital job with regular hours mon-fri. Hospital pharmacies are generally closed on weekends and holidays as the nurses have a lot more autonomy here. You'll probably need to occasionally be on call, though.

Ohh and remember you'll have a minimum of 4 weeks annual holiday plus national holidays. And if you work on a national holiday (for example King's Birthday is Monday) you will get double time AND an extra day off to take later. Plus, taxes are much lower than the US when if you take into account insurance premiums, social security, etc. All of which is included in your NZ payroll taxes.
 
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It's really a personal decision as to whether you should be "Team Burn" or "Team Ship". We ended up doing our things for several reasons.

1. I have carefully been curating my kitchen equipment for a decade. I have a specific purpose for everything in my kitchen, nothing was purchased arbitrarily. The thought of starting over was too much to bear
2. We bought a house in the US 6 years prior to the move, so our furnishings were new and nice
3. It's hard to find a wide selection of choices in New Zealand, and what you'll find here is much more expensive. For example at NZ's largest kitchen store in Taupo, their biggest KitchenAid mixer is smaller than the one I brought over.
4. The job offered a relocation package which subsidized part of the moving costs

If you have older things or aren't particular, then by all means liquidate.

As far as not having much clinical experience, this will not prevent you from getting a hospital job in NZ. Pharmacists are not trained for hospital work in school, so it's all "on the job" training here. Where it may affect you is in salary negotiations, and salaries for pharmacists are much lower here. Apparently in the USA I earned as much as NZ's prime minister (when you account for currency conversion).

If you have a PharmD that will help with salary negotiations (kiwi pharmacists are BPharm, and advanced degrees goa long way here) as well as your years of experience. Also don't be afraid to flaunt your US salary so they know not to low-ball you. We need pharmacists here, and we have to be competitive internationally.

If you want it, you can easily have a hospital job with regular hours mon-fri. Hospital pharmacies are generally closed on weekends and holidays as the nurses have a lot more autonomy here. You'll probably need to occasionally be on call, though.

Ohh and remember you'll have a minimum of 4 weeks annual holiday plus national holidays. And if you work on a national holiday (for example King's Birthday is Monday) you will get double time AND an extra day off to take later. Plus, taxes are much lower than the US when if you take into account insurance premiums, social security, etc. All of which is included in your NZ payroll taxes.
Thanks, that helps a lot. I'll add we moved from Hawaii to Denver and sold everything beforehand and it wasn't too bad. But now we have newer/better furniture and you were saying how expensive basic items are in NZ compared to the states. The miss is leaning towards starting over from scratch again.

I think you said you used a company called NZ Shore to help find a job and move? I assume you passed the CAOP and got certified before looking for a job? Or is it best to start looking ahead before taking/passing the CAOP?

My girlfriend found a company called Accent Health recruitment, I'll start asking them a lot of these questions too this next week.
 
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Thanks, that helps a lot. I think you said you used a company called NZ Shore to help find a job and move? I assume you passed the CAOP and got certified before looking for a job? Or is it best to start looking ahead before taking/passi g the CAOP?

My gf found a company called Accent Health recruitment, I'll start asking them a lot of these questions too this next week.
Accent health (Prudence) is good but they don't place pharmacists. Nurses won't be a problem. Also if you use them, don't do any applications on your own or they will be barred from finding you work at that employer.

NZ Shores are licensed immigration advisors. This is a highly regulated industry in New Zealand. It's illegal to provide immigration advice unless you're either a licensed advisor or a lawyer. This is to prevent scams. We worked with Julia Cooke and she was really good. They do a pay as you go method for reach stage of the process (e.g. engagement fee, work visa, expression of interest, skilled migrant resident visa), and you can stop at any stage. However since you're on the green list you'll be going straight to residency, so there will be less payment stages for you to navigate. They do a completely free, detailed assessment of your migration pathway so I'd advise you start with that. After we engaged NZ shores, they tried to send us off to a newly licensed advisor located in South Africa and after we protested Julia took us on.

Our timeframe was compressed due to the visa we were applying for so we had to apply for jobs before caop results came in and got several job offers pending caop passing. Your situation will be different... You will go straight to residency and will get your visa very quickly (a matter if weeks, I'm told). So you could complete the whole process at home- caop, getting a job offer, registering with pharmacy council- before arriving.

Hospital pharmacists are desperately needed here. NZ shores does not really help with the job search, but they will provide some guidance like a CV template and cover letter along with a letter you can include in your job applications which says they're working with you, to help allay employer anxiety about hiring someone who is not yet legally entitled to work in New Zealand.

Lots of pharm jobs are available on kiwihealthjobs and also the NZHPA websites. You'll find the more remote areas like Whangarei and Gisborne need the most help and might be most open to negotiation. Keep watching the job listings over time... You will find some positions expire and then are immediately renewed as they go unfilled for months and even years.
 
Accent health (Prudence) is good but they don't place pharmacists. Nurses won't be a problem. Also if you use them, don't do any applications on your own or they will be barred from finding you work at that employer.

NZ Shores are licensed immigration advisors. This is a highly regulated industry in New Zealand. It's illegal to provide immigration advice unless you're either a licensed advisor or a lawyer. This is to prevent scams. We worked with Julia Cooke and she was really good. They do a pay as you go method for reach stage of the process (e.g. engagement fee, work visa, expression of interest, skilled migrant resident visa), and you can stop at any stage. However since you're on the green list you'll be going straight to residency, so there will be less payment stages for you to navigate. They do a completely free, detailed assessment of your migration pathway so I'd advise you start with that. After we engaged NZ shores, they tried to send us off to a newly licensed advisor located in South Africa and after we protested Julia took us on.

Our timeframe was compressed due to the visa we were applying for so we had to apply for jobs before caop results came in and got several job offers pending caop passing. Your situation will be different... You will go straight to residency and will get your visa very quickly (a matter if weeks, I'm told). So you could complete the whole process at home- caop, getting a job offer, registering with pharmacy council- before arriving.

Hospital pharmacists are desperately needed here. NZ shores does not really help with the job search, but they will provide some guidance like a CV template and cover letter along with a letter you can include in your job applications which says they're working with you, to help allay employer anxiety about hiring someone who is not yet legally entitled to work in New Zealand.

Lots of pharm jobs are available on kiwihealthjobs and also the NZHPA websites. You'll find the more remote areas like Whangarei and Gisborne need the most help and might be most open to negotiation. Keep watching the job listings over time... You will find some positions expire and then are immediately renewed as they go unfilled for months and even years.
Oh wow, so the greenlight now means the 6-month wait is drastically reduced? We have been tentatively planning this for awhile and just recently decided to go full in and found out I was greenlighted along with her. I'll chat with the accent health rep this Tuesday (due to the Monday holiday) and go from there with job searching.

You've been very helpful, thank you. We're doing this more for the adventure, but like you said a year ago your posts, a lot of the policitcs of this country are getting ridiculous and I don't think I want to be here during the next election.
 
Oh wow, so the greenlight now means the 6-month wait is drastically reduced? We have been tentatively planning this for awhile and just recently decided to go full in and found out I was greenlighted along with her. I'll chat with the accent health rep this Tuesday (due to the Monday holiday) and go from there with job searching.

You've been very helpful, thank you. We're doing this more for the adventure, but like you said a year ago your posts, a lot of the policitcs of this country are getting ridiculous and I don't think I want to be here during the next election.
Yes it's INZ's "tier 1 green list" that you'll both likely qualify for, which allows you immediate residency with a qualifying job offer. I've heard these have been processing extremely quickly. Traditionally people would apply for the work visa because you could begin working for your employer right away, while the resident visa bakes in the background (that's what we did). But with straight to residency, you can arrive in New Zealand with both a job and ensured residency. It's quite amazing...I wish we had that kind of assurance before selling our life in America.

I would still do the free NZ shores evaluation, even if you want to do the application process on your own. It will at least give you a blueprint of how best to proceed.
 
Yes it's INZ's "tier 1 green list" that you'll both likely qualify for, which allows you immediate residency with a qualifying job offer. I've heard these have been processing extremely quickly. Traditionally people would apply for the work visa because you could begin working for your employer right away, while the resident visa bakes in the background (that's what we did). But with straight to residency, you can arrive in New Zealand with both a job and ensured residency. It's quite amazing...I wish we had that kind of assurance before selling our life in America.

I would still do the free NZ shores evaluation, even if you want to do the application process on your own. It will at least give you a blueprint of how best to proceed.
So sounds like accent health is more for the job recruiting for nurses/physicians and will help me with what they can (but Ill probably have to search on my own) and NZ shores is for immigration help.

Was the CAOP not too bad? I took the NAPLEX 15 years ago and the only tests I've taken since are Hawaii and Colorado MPJEs. From what I've read on here, buy the Australian Medicines Handbook and master time management.
 
CAOP is an open book test and you should definitely have at least the AMH (Australia Medicines Handbook) available to study from and familiarize yourself with before the exam. You have to order these books from Australia. There are no good online resources to study for this exam...we paid for some caop online study guide which promised pharmacist mentors to help, but nobody ever answered any of our emails. Don't waste your money on that.

Most of the drugs are the same, but there are occasional differences. Paracetamol vs acetaminophen is the obvious one. But occasionally you might get the odd drug that isn't FDA approved but it's still used in Australia, so be conscious of that but don't obsess because it's not likely to impact a whole bunch of questions. You don't need to get 100%, you just need to pass. And all of the questions are weighed different for scoring, and some questions are not graded at all because they're new and being tested out.

Go through your AMH book a bunch of times- not to memorize it, but to really familiarize yourself with the format so you get know where to locate info (because it is sorted by class of meds which is different from the formulary). Use lots of tabs and sticky notes. (You can't use actual notes, but they do allow you to have handwritten tabs and post it's. You will have to show these to your test proctor before you begin the exam.)

As for a strategy for answering questions, if you get the question "which drug prolongs qt", you will probably be able to eliminate 2 of the 4 multiple choice answers right away, and then you only have 2 drugs potentially to look up (or one, if you pick the right one to read up on in the AMH). But again, sometimes you just go with your gut because if you look up everything you WILL 100% guaranteed run out of time.

Also get used to the format of the sample test questions on the website. The format is very similar to what actually appears on the test, even if the questions are different.

Time management- the test has a countdown clock which can help you figure out if you're on track. 2 hours is very, very short so again sometimes you will just need to go with your gut.

I hope this is helpful!
 
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CAOP is an open book test and you should definitely have at least the AMH (Australia Medicines Handbook) available to study from and familiarize yourself with before the exam. You have to order these books from Australia. There are no good online resources to study for this exam...we paid for some caop online study guide which promised pharmacist mentors to help, but nobody ever answered any of our emails. Don't waste your money on that.

Most of the drugs are the same, but there are occasional differences. Paracetamol vs acetaminophen is the obvious one. But occasionally you might get the odd drug that isn't FDA approved but it's still used in Australia, so be conscious of that but don't obsess because it's not likely to impact a whole bunch of questions. You don't need to get 100%, you just need to pass. And all of the questions are weighed different for scoring, and some questions are not graded at all because they're new and being tested out.

Go through your AMH book a bunch of times- not to memorize it, but to really familiarize yourself with the format so you get know where to locate info (because it is sorted by class of meds which is different from the formulary). Use lots of tabs and sticky notes. (You can't use actual notes, but they do allow you to have handwritten tabs and post it's. You will have to show these to your test proctor before you begin the exam.)

As for a strategy for answering questions, if you get the question "which drug prolongs qt", you will probably be able to eliminate 2 of the 4 multiple choice answers right away, and then you only have 2 drugs potentially to look up (or one, if you pick the right one to read up on in the AMH). But again, sometimes you just go with your gut because if you look up everything you WILL 100% guaranteed run out of time.

Also get used to the format of the sample test questions on the website. The format is very similar to what actually appears on the test, even if the questions are different.

Time management- the test has a countdown clock which can help you figure out if you're on track. 2 hours is very, very short so again sometimes you will just need to go with your gut.

I hope this is helpful!
That helps a ton! I've looked over the sample questions a bit and ya, it's easy to rule out 2 options right away. Ive been fooled in the past with sample questions on other exams and the actual test being much more difficult, so it's good to know the samples CAOP provides are actually quite similar. Again, appreciate all the info. We start the process more seriously this week and you've shed a lot of light on the somewhat confusing process.
 
Wow, that’s a lot of New Zealand news. Been debating picking up and going again for a few months. I wish I could get laid off or something to make the decision for me.
 
Hi schleima
I have been wondering what happens to our taxes here in the states if we don’t give up American citizenship right away. Do you end up paying double taxes?
 
Hi schleima
I have been wondering what happens to our taxes here in the states if we don’t give up American citizenship right away. Do you end up paying double taxes?
There is a tax treaty in place between the US and NZ which prevents double taxation on all income over a certain high threshold, I think 250k USD for couples. However that doesn't mean you won't run into pitfalls. The US does not recognize the kiwisaver (government sponsored 401(k) style plan) as a retirement account, nor does NZ recognize us based retirement plans. I've heard that there's a grace period of maybe 4 years and then you have to begin declaring your us based accounts, but I'm not sure how this is enforced. Also, there was an American woman in Auckland who opened a kiwisaver for her 3 kids and learned too late that this is seen by us law as a foreign trust. It's extremely expensive and complicated to file the paperwork declaring this so she owed $2000 per child in tax filing fees with no way to close the accounts. Supposedly there are us tax law compatible kiwisavers but they tend to be specialty items. Our accountant at hr block assured us this is not an expensive process, so I don't know if this lady is getting taken advantage of by her accountant, or if hr block doesn't know what they're talking about. It's a bit nerve wracking... We've not yet opened a kiwisaver because of it even though we are now eligible. So we are leaving that 3% employer match on the table :(
 
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There is a tax treaty in place between the US and NZ which prevents double taxation on all income over a certain high threshold, I think 250k USD for couples. However that doesn't mean you won't run into pitfalls. The US does not recognize the kiwisaver (government sponsored 401(k) style plan) as a retirement account, nor does NZ recognize us based retirement plans. I've heard that there's a grace period of maybe 4 years and then you have to begin declaring your us based accounts, but I'm not sure how this is enforced. Also, there was an American woman in Auckland who opened a kiwisaver for her 3 kids and learned too late that this is seen by us law as a foreign trust. It's extremely expensive and complicated to file the paperwork declaring this so she owed $2000 per child in tax filing fees with no way to close the accounts. Supposedly there are us tax law compatible kiwisavers but they tend to be specialty items. Our accountant at hr block assured us this is not an expensive process, so I don't know if this lady is getting taken advantage of by her accountant, or if hr block doesn't know what they're talking about. It's a bit nerve wracking... We've not yet opened a kiwisaver because of it even though we are now eligible. So we are leaving that 3% employer match on the table :(
Thank you so much!! You are so well informed in all this.
 
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When you make a big move like this, you have to learn a whole lot all at once :)
 
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Hi @schleima , another question for you about living there. It's hard to find information on buying a home. Looks like very different pathways for Tourist vs Resident vs Citizen, especially when it comes to getting a loan. Being that renting seems much more expensive than buying (and the options are much worse), we are prefer to try and buy if it's reasonable . Have you looked into any of these options as a resident? Or do you pretty much have to get citizenship before buying? Thanks again!
 
Hi @schleima , another question for you about living there. It's hard to find information on buying a home. Looks like very different pathways for Tourist vs Resident vs Citizen, especially when it comes to getting a loan. Being that renting seems much more expensive than buying (and the options are much worse), we are prefer to try and buy if it's reasonable . Have you looked into any of these options as a resident? Or do you pretty much have to get citizenship before buying? Thanks again!

I can probably answer that. You can buy a house with a residency visa, but you need to have lived in the country for the previous 12 months. You're allowed to build a house as a new arrival, but you don't know New Zealand very well if you think that's going to happen within 12 months. Maybe you can buy new construction, I haven't looked into it that closely. Anyway, moving to a new country and buying immediately is not the best idea anyway. I'd recommend renting for six months to see if you like the area you've picked before you even think about where you want to be permanently.

Actually buying a house is pretty different than what you're used to. There is one agent involved in the transaction: the seller's. You can get an agent to show you houses, but they will only be showing you houses listed by their company. Open houses typically last 30 to 60 minutes. You end up following the same agents around as they try to show all their homes in a day. Houses rarely have posted prices. many are sold at auction and many are sold in processes that are similar to silent auction. You can get an approximation of what the seller is expecting by shrinking the ranges in your search (most houses will appear in a $100,000 price bracket). Always keep in mind: anything you say to the agent will be reported back to the seller (as in "I love this house. I just don't want to spend all of my $1.5 million dollars in the bank on it"). It is best to not act particularly interested in anything you look at. Once you've agreed to purchase a house (actually, you should get this taken care of ahead of time), interest rates are not fixed. Or rather, not fixed for the life of the loan. Check out kiwibank's current rates: https://www.kiwibank.co.nz/personal-banking/home-loans/rates-and-fees/ The lowest rate you can get is fixed for 5 years (6.29% today). Most kiwis will float at least part of their loan (currently 8.5%). the reason the 5 year loan is so much lower is because it is really a 5 year loan. You cannot pay it off early, even if you sell your home during those 5 years (or rather, you can pay it off early, but there are penalties).

i could spend an hour on this. Anyway, count on needing 20% down. There are exceptions, but they're more expensive and the bank isn't allowed to make very many >80% loans. Mortgages are usually paid weekly or fortnightly. Property tax is overall low compared to the US (called rates)...you'll usually pay both a city and/or district rate and a region rate. Electricity and however you heat your house will break you. Trash may or may not be included in your rates. This is going to be an expensive proposition unless you're from San Francisco or Manhattan.
 
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A few clarifications

Technically you have to both hold a resident visa and have been living the country for 12 months before you're eligible to buy real estate. (You don't have to have held the resident visa for twelve months.) However, my understanding is you can apply for a waiver of this condition. After 12 months you don't have to. But @sunnyandseventytwo is correct in that you really should live here for a while before you buy for all the reasons he outiined. 12 months is a good amount of time to get to know what it's like to live in a particular region, and to learn the neighborhoods.

Yes buying a house is very different. As a buyer you will need to hire a solicitor (lawyer) as your advocate for the transaction and to review contracts. But lawyers will charge you a flat fee, not charge by the hour, so the costs are much more reasonable here.

Property taxes do not exist as such. What they do charge are council rates which for our property covers weekly rubbish/recycling collection and water. That's right, water is mostly unmetered here, though new construction are slowly getting meters installed, so that's all changing.

And yes mortgage rates are high and people negotiate with their banks sometimes yearly. But here's the big difference... Your bank will hold your mortgage, not sell it off. Your personal relationship with your bank matters, and for that reason it's good to hold accounts with multiple banks so that you have more options when it comes time to negotiate fora mortgage. (There are mortgage brokers that can help you with this process). When it comes time to renegotiate, your bank knows they need to keep you happy or you can go to another bank, so they will sometimes offer thousands back as incentive for you to stay with them for another term. But yeah, the American style 30 year fixed mortgage simply doesn't exist here.
 
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Well just scheduled and paid for my CAOP to take in November. @schleima , is it ok if I dm you a few questions?
Yes of course, although it may be good to share with the forum since there isnt any good, reliable source of info on the caop (at least that we were able to find). We paid for this online study guide which advertised access to mentors and questions, but nobody ever responded to our inquiries, and the resources they provided were old data and outdated info on the exam. Don't waste your money.
 
Ok I just did a reverse image search on the team that supposedly built the scam caop site:


They're not even Australian pharmacists, as they claim. They are Americans based out of Baltimore.


Don't pay for this scam!
 
I bought the Australian Medicines Handbook and I'm looking at it every day during downtime at work to be really familiar with it. Also there are some sample papers online I believe to look over to get a feel for the questions. Is there anything else you recommend studying to be prepared?
 
I bought the Australian Medicines Handbook and I'm looking at it every day during downtime at work to be really familiar with it. Also there are some sample papers online I believe to look over to get a feel for the questions. Is there anything else you recommend studying to be prepared?
Unless you have specific questions, I pretty much outlined all my best practices in an earlier post.
 
Unless you have specific questions, I pretty much outlined all my best practices in an earlier post.
Found the post. Pretty straight forward test it seems like. I'll just stay away from the scam study guides. Thanks.
 
I think it's good practice to re-read this entire thread. There is a lot of good information and easy to forget what advice was shared months or even years ago.
 
I just got back from a couple of weeks in New Zealand. Seemed to be job openings everywhere. A Kiwi pharmacist was complaining about how difficult it is for them to move to the US; said she'd need another 4 year degree. I was sure some American pharmacy school would offer two year degrees to foreign pharmacists, but I don't see any doing that. A few offer slightly fewer classes in their 4 year (or 3 year round) programs. That's just crazy.
 
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I just got back from a couple of weeks in New Zealand. Seemed to be job openings everywhere. A Kiwi pharmacist was complaining about how difficult it is for them to move to the US; said she'd need another 4 year degree. I was sure some American pharmacy school would offer two year degrees to foreign pharmacists, but I don't see any doing that. A few offer slightly fewer classes in their 4 year (or 3 year round) programs. That's just crazy.
It's true. The US doesn't recognize healthcare qualifications nearly as really as many other countries. UK/Aus/NZ especially seem to have a pretty fluid acceptance of each other's qualifications. But in the US, as I understand, you can't sit for the naplex exam unless you have a degree from a US pharmacy school. Some schools have "step up" programs but they're still extremely expensive, multi-year endeavors which a foreign pharmacist is unlikely to be able to afford.
 
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It's true. The US doesn't recognize healthcare qualifications nearly as really as many other countries. UK/Aus/NZ especially seem to have a pretty fluid acceptance of each other's qualifications. But in the US, as I understand, you can't sit for the naplex exam unless you have a degree from a US pharmacy school. Some schools have "step up" programs but they're still extremely expensive, multi-year endeavors which a foreign pharmacist is unlikely to be able to afford.
How everything going with your ER? You've been there for awhile now. Still loving it out there?
 
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