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It's all in the title. We have a lot of it now. Interested to hear things.
Had a baaaad food anaphylaxis with tongue angioedema and I called anesthesia for a Fiber-optic tube. He was happy to come in but suggested TXA 1000 mg. I was all set to give it but the epi drip finally kicked in and she improved and didn’t get it or the tube.It's all in the title. We have a lot of it now. Interested to hear things.
Had a baaaad food anaphylaxis with tongue angioedema and I called anesthesia for a Fiber-optic tube. He was happy to come in but suggested TXA 1000 mg. I was all set to give it but the epi drip finally kicked in and she improved and didn’t get it or the tube.
Anyone else use it in this scenario?
I’ve used it for bradykinin-mediated angioedema. I’m not sure what the rationale would be for allergic angioedema as the whole role of TXA is to decrease bradykinin formation.Had a baaaad food anaphylaxis with tongue angioedema and I called anesthesia for a Fiber-optic tube. He was happy to come in but suggested TXA 1000 mg. I was all set to give it but the epi drip finally kicked in and she improved and didn’t get it or the tube.
Anyone else use it in this scenario?
Direct mucosal application is really the only time that I’ve thought it’s actually worked.Dental bleeding on Coumadin. Txa soaked gauze packed into the bleeding area.
I used it for a pt who was pseudo-allergic to IV contrast and prevented SJS.It's all in the title. We have a lot of it now. Interested to hear things.
“TXA: The Miracle drug with mostly negative trial results ”
Pharmacist ran us through the clotting cascade and explained how TXA can help in lisonopril angioedema, I’ve seen it done once for that as well.See; I had heard something of this sort - but didn't really believe my ears and I was too busy at the time to research it.
Too soon.I used it for a pt who was pseudo-allergic to IV contrast and prevented SJS.
You spelled Colace wrong.Ain't that the truth!!
It's like gabapentin. A commonly used and largely useless drug.
Post partum bleeding (WOMAN trial) and as a last ditch for general post op patients who are bleeding. Technically tramatic bleeds should get them (CRASH-3 trial), but by the time the ICU gets involved with the LOL-FDGB* with a brain bleed it's already past the 3 hour window. Since my hospitals aren't trauma centers, I don't think the EM physician is thinking about it.
I'm always tempted to do it for GI bleeds, but the trial for that was negative. It seems to work well with the other bleeds... but it's always hard to tell when a medication works vs tincture of time.
Theoretically TEG/ROTEM could tell us when to use it, but no place I've been at has them.
*Little Old Lady, Fall Down Go Boom
That’s the rub though. Even though we use it because we believe, the trial data just isn’t convincing.We also use it for severe GI bleeding
It's been literally years since I read the studies. I was fairly up to date on their conclusions at the time, but honestly had forgotten the meat of their results.That’s the rub though. Even though we use it because we believe, the trial data just isn’t convincing.
The one thing that’s generally consistent though is that TXA is safe to give in 1000-2000 mg doses. So you’re relatively justified using it for anything bleeding-related. Just don’t expect it to save the day.
- HALT-IT: No benefit in mortality or RBC transfusion in GI bleeding with a 4000 mg protocol (so do you think that the commonly given dose of 1000 mg is doing anything?)
- WOMAN: Slight benefit in mortality due to bleeding, but overall mortality remains the same. So instead of bleeding to death, you ______ to death. It’s a fragile result and unlikely to be replicated given that it was a secondary outcome and the CI already crossed 1.0. The primary outcome (overall mortality), was negative.
- CRASH-3: Similar to above. Positive outcome came from a subgroup analysis and the statistics are weaker than they appear.
If you are going to do the other bull**** for ACE inhibitor induced angioedema that you are considering intubating, I would give a gram of TXA. I have seen patients dramatically improve after 1-2 hrs. The literature is there but mostly case series. Certainly better than treating like an allergy.
That's because you were trained by Bruce Janiak so you consulted the allergy/immunologist from the ED, based purely on intuition, before a reaction could even develop.I used it for a pt who was pseudo-allergic to IV contrast and prevented SJS.
Oh man, don't get me started on gabapentin, or tramadol...Ain't that the truth!!
It's like gabapentin. A commonly used and largely useless drug.
Ain't that the truth!!
It's like gabapentin. A commonly used and largely useless drug.
Did I drink the Kool-Aid?? I use gabapentin all the time for neuropathic pain. If anything, I feel that people just don’t titrate it high enough.Oh man, don't get me started on gabapentin, or tramadol...
Doses over 1800mg/d have never been found to do anything other than increase side effects. Gabapentin has shown benefit for diabetic neuropathy, and maybe some forms of pruritis. On the other hand, gabapentin causes delirium, somnolence, and peripheral edema in a lot of patients without providing significant pain relief - just adding to pill burden. With chemotherapy induced neuropathy and other types of low back & leg pain other agents (TCA's, SNRI's) have far better efficacy evidence.Did I drink the Kool-Aid?? I use gabapentin all the time for neuropathic pain. If anything, I feel that people just don’t titrate it high enough.
Doses over 1800mg/d have never been found to do anything other than increase side effects. Gabapentin has shown benefit for diabetic neuropathy, and maybe some forms of pruritis. On the other hand, gabapentin causes delirium, somnolence, and peripheral edema in a lot of patients without providing significant pain relief - just adding to pill burden. With chemotherapy induced neuropathy and other types of low back & leg pain other agents (TCA's, SNRI's) have far better efficacy evidence.
In conclusion: it's reasonable to treat diabetic peripheral neuropathy (and some forms of pruritis) with gabapentin at doses no higher than 1800mg/d. Beyond that, it's likely more burden than benefit.
What does an ER Doc do with this? Not much, other than scanning the med list of your patients presenting with AMS or peripheral edema for gabapentin. If it's found, consider asking "has the gabapentin helped?"
TXA for nosebleeds. Sometimes for trauma (rare). Vaginal bleeding (non-hormonal and ACOG recommended), PO Rx and d/c.
PM&R here. You did drink the kool-aid.Did I drink the Kool-Aid?? I use gabapentin all the time for neuropathic pain. If anything, I feel that people just don’t titrate it high enough.
"A 2016 double-blind RCT (N = 108) investigated gabapentin as a treatment for chronic low back pain with and without a radicular component. Participants were adults who had at least a six-month history of daily back pain, primarily in the lumbar region, that affected at least two aspects of everyday life, and a pain score of 2 or greater on a 10-point scale. The gabapentin arm was a forced titration design with a daily target of 3,600 mg divided into three doses. The placebo group also up-titrated the placebo pills. The primary outcome was pain intensity (as measured by the Descriptor Differential Scale of Pain Intensity); secondary outcomes included mood (as measured by the Beck Depression Inventory-II) and everyday function (as measured by the Oswestry Disability Index). At 12 weeks there was a significant decrease from baseline in overall pain scores for both groups (P < .0001) but no significant difference between the groups (P = .423). There was no difference between radicular and nonradicular pain, and no difference in pain scores based on plasma levels of gabapentin. There was an overall significant decrease in depressive mood symptoms in both groups (P < .0001) but no significant difference between the groups (P = .519). There was also no significant difference in functionality between groups (P = .804)."
"For pregabalin, FDA-approved indications related to pain are limited to postherpetic neuralgia, neuropathic pain associated with diabetic neuropathy or spinal cord injury, and fibromyalgia. Despite these limited indications, gabapentin and pregabalin are widely prescribed off-label for various other pain syndromes.
Clinicians who prescribe gabapentinoids off-label for pain should be aware of the limited evidence and should acknowledge to patients that potential benefits are uncertain for most off-label uses."
So for the standard “my periods are insanely heavy / long, I’m becoming anemic, I saw a GYN once but I hated the nexplanon so I go rid of that and didn’t go back, my PCP just said come here and get a transfusion” vaginal bleeds I see—>Let me hear more about this PO TXA for DUB.
I rarely see reproductive age females.
Where I work, marijuana fits this description.most people touched on this - a drug that works for everything, but has very little evidence that it helps much.
Used it in nasal bleeds by soaking gauze with that and lidocaine with epi many times. Used it once for bad angioedema.
Also, I hate nosebleeds.
I don't want to take away from your otherwise excellent post, with which I almost completely agree, but I'd replace 7 w/ 5 (or 4...)VItals OK, Hg>7, not actively fire-hosing:
No, need Shia LaBeouf to carry EM out of this mess.1. I also hate nosebleeds.
2. Change your profile pic back to pepe. Lol.
Why wouldn't you use something soaked with afrin or phenylephrine for the nosebleed
Many of our orthopods do it this way - and one does a slow transfusion during surgeryNot really helpful to EM peeps at all, and in fact it seemed to work better if you gave it in the OR right before surgery.
Oh I think we agree, I don’ mean I transfuse at Hg7, just that around there I start to have different thoughts with these patients, including as you mentioned IV iron, potentially transfusion depending on age / pace of bleeding / exact Hg, doubling up on insisting they follow up with someone, etc.I don't want to take away from your otherwise excellent post, with which I almost completely agree, but I'd replace 7 w/ 5 (or 4...)
Also, I do see a role for IV iron in these patients.