MaleBabyYoda
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Long time reader, first post.
I've googled this topic extensively, and have read everything I can find on SDN as well as other forums (e.g. Reddit, etc).
I know it's an old comparison, since these are the only two DO programs in NYC.
The reason I am reviving this topic, is to get an updated view, given TouroCOM's Harlem program is still relatively "new" and both programs continue to undergo change (for example this year as DO/MD residencies merge, as TouroCOM recently joined NYCOMEC and is competing with NYIT for rotation sites / residency spots, and as rotation sites and curriculums for both schools have continued to evolve and as NYC has continued to stay a dynamic competitive place for medical programs with more competition from Caribbean schools and local MD programs).
I have unique circumstances that make this particular comparison very important to me personally, I don't want to reveal too much as I worry that'll make it very easy to identify who I am... but suffice it to say this is a meaningful comparison not a 'hypothetical' (just to head off the "get accepted to both first then figure it out" responses).
Appreciate the help. Any thoughts are very welcome. Listed questions below, but recognize it's a lot, even if you can only address some or a few of them I'd be grateful.
Specific topics I'd love more insight on
1) Does NYITCOM really have meaningfully superior rotational placements and residency placements? i.e. more rotation sites, better odds for getting into competitive specialties, more alumni (does this matter??), more sites in NYC/LI area (to avoid having to bounce around geographically), better relationships with NYC residency programs, etc... is that gap closing, widening, or staying the same?
I've seen this alluded to in a lot of places, but limited stats to back it up... it looks like they do have more locations, but might just be because they have a much larger incoming class?
2) Why does TouroCOM have such a low pass rate for both exams within COMLEX 2?? 80-85% feels pretty darn low... given you need to pass them all to graduate right? I did the math and the cumulative first time pass rate for TouroCOM is like 65%? What happens to all those candidates who don't pass the first time, presumably they can retake and eventually pass, but does that impact quality of residency placement (I know they both advertise "100% placement" on their websites, but that seems a bit of a cherrypicked stat?
3) Heard NYITCOM has a higher than average attrition rate for academic performance, due to a very inflexible academic retake policy? Is that still the case? Any sense what % of students this impacts? Please don't give me grief ha, I don't expect to be bottom of my class and recognize that if you're failing courses 2x in a semester that's a problem... but still interested to know / go in eyes wide open.
4) Big picture question. Does anyone know what % of students, who matriculate, eventually graduate and get MATCHed, and become doctors, from both programs? i.e. for every 100 people who step in the door, post (i) attrition from academics, (ii) attrition from failing COMLEX exams (if any), (iii) attrition from other causes, how many finish and achieve the goal of becoming a doctor?
5) For current students of either program:
(a) During 3rd and 4th years, did students have an 'easy time' getting placed into elective rotations / finding their own 4th year rotations? Were students generally satisfied? Did students have control over where they wound up geographically? If they really wanted to be close to home in Long Island for example, could they control that? Or 'scattered to the wind'?
(b) How is the overall experience? Academic environment, etc? Are most students happy / satisfied? How is the program trending? More rotation sites / residency partners, or fewer / getting more competitive (i.e. because of Caribbean schools, or local MD programs, or otherwise)
I've googled this topic extensively, and have read everything I can find on SDN as well as other forums (e.g. Reddit, etc).
I know it's an old comparison, since these are the only two DO programs in NYC.
The reason I am reviving this topic, is to get an updated view, given TouroCOM's Harlem program is still relatively "new" and both programs continue to undergo change (for example this year as DO/MD residencies merge, as TouroCOM recently joined NYCOMEC and is competing with NYIT for rotation sites / residency spots, and as rotation sites and curriculums for both schools have continued to evolve and as NYC has continued to stay a dynamic competitive place for medical programs with more competition from Caribbean schools and local MD programs).
I have unique circumstances that make this particular comparison very important to me personally, I don't want to reveal too much as I worry that'll make it very easy to identify who I am... but suffice it to say this is a meaningful comparison not a 'hypothetical' (just to head off the "get accepted to both first then figure it out" responses).
Appreciate the help. Any thoughts are very welcome. Listed questions below, but recognize it's a lot, even if you can only address some or a few of them I'd be grateful.
Specific topics I'd love more insight on
1) Does NYITCOM really have meaningfully superior rotational placements and residency placements? i.e. more rotation sites, better odds for getting into competitive specialties, more alumni (does this matter??), more sites in NYC/LI area (to avoid having to bounce around geographically), better relationships with NYC residency programs, etc... is that gap closing, widening, or staying the same?
I've seen this alluded to in a lot of places, but limited stats to back it up... it looks like they do have more locations, but might just be because they have a much larger incoming class?
2) Why does TouroCOM have such a low pass rate for both exams within COMLEX 2?? 80-85% feels pretty darn low... given you need to pass them all to graduate right? I did the math and the cumulative first time pass rate for TouroCOM is like 65%? What happens to all those candidates who don't pass the first time, presumably they can retake and eventually pass, but does that impact quality of residency placement (I know they both advertise "100% placement" on their websites, but that seems a bit of a cherrypicked stat?
3) Heard NYITCOM has a higher than average attrition rate for academic performance, due to a very inflexible academic retake policy? Is that still the case? Any sense what % of students this impacts? Please don't give me grief ha, I don't expect to be bottom of my class and recognize that if you're failing courses 2x in a semester that's a problem... but still interested to know / go in eyes wide open.
4) Big picture question. Does anyone know what % of students, who matriculate, eventually graduate and get MATCHed, and become doctors, from both programs? i.e. for every 100 people who step in the door, post (i) attrition from academics, (ii) attrition from failing COMLEX exams (if any), (iii) attrition from other causes, how many finish and achieve the goal of becoming a doctor?
5) For current students of either program:
(a) During 3rd and 4th years, did students have an 'easy time' getting placed into elective rotations / finding their own 4th year rotations? Were students generally satisfied? Did students have control over where they wound up geographically? If they really wanted to be close to home in Long Island for example, could they control that? Or 'scattered to the wind'?
(b) How is the overall experience? Academic environment, etc? Are most students happy / satisfied? How is the program trending? More rotation sites / residency partners, or fewer / getting more competitive (i.e. because of Caribbean schools, or local MD programs, or otherwise)