I don't think anyone knows
I'm pretty sure p/f means no score report, i.e. PDs don't see any 3-digit score
Smart people who have a score will save the score report and then include it in their residency app, attached to their CV perhaps
If you test before 2022, PDs will be able to see your score. No need to "slip it in".
I can’t imagine throwing 3 years into making an otherwise stellar derm or surgical app only to not have the score. At that point, you’ve got such a targeted app, away rotations at least scheduled if not already completed. Letters in the field, etc. Every IM PD will know you don’t want to be there.
I really hope people in this case with borderline CK scores get a pass.
They already have and It is only a 13K deck max. Its wayyy more manageable
do you know what deck it is specifically?
Haha those are rookie numbers! I'm sure the recipe for brute forcing 90th percentile CK will end up just as large as Zanki was
Tzanki
I do the orignal dorian. some use cheezy, which gets rid of repeats. I did not mind the repeats and I see myself as a weaker student, but its 3k more cards and now that Im approaching dedicated I'm kicking myself that choice.
When you say “brute forcing” do you mean “studying hard to do well on the exam”?
If you call hundreds of thousands of flashcards and multiple Qbanks "studying medicine" then sure
“Studying medicine” is such a vague term that it’s not really useful in this context. If I’m reading from a book to learn the key features of HSP as well as its treatment, how is that any different than learning from flash cards or a Q bank? Sure, it will be different when I see it in real life, and it will likely cement it in a different fashion in my mind, but if I could recognize it the first time I see it by having studied, should I not then study to prepare? Are you suggesting that people should give up efficient and effective methods of long-term retention over some idealistic belief of what “learning medicine” should look like? Because I promise you, that even if we got rid of all the tests, you (you as a general term, I definitely would) would still have to study books or do notecards or question banks to learn all the facts necessary to understand medicine.
My personal experience was that going from 220s to 250s was mostly memorizing specific esoteria they like to test and relentlessly practicing pattern recognition of the ways they like to test it. I understand others disagree. I've never, ever felt like I could guess my classmates board scores from spending time with them on the wards, but again I know others disagree about that too.
Isn't pattern recognition the key to doing well on any standardized test
lol apparently I havent been studying medicine for the past 3 years. Never mind that doing various anki decks is the equivalent of reading through several thick medical textbooks that most other students don't even touch or flip through and call that "reading"
Yeah I was such a fool, listening to my professors in small group instead of banging through flashcards on my phone. You'll be such a better doc than me, hats off
idk how you plan to learn all that phys path pharm, etc in 1 year
B&B/Pathoma/Sketchy right from the start
I've heard of 1.5 but never 1. Do these schools take step 1 after one year of medical school? this seems like turning up the burnout dial to 11
Theyve had 1 year for a while now at Duke I want to say? And or HMS? Especially with step 1 going back to a minor concern, theres no way it should take longer
Michigan/HMS does it and i think they still take Step 1 after 2nd year
This.
It's all compressed into 1 yr. Pharm, micro and pathology are still there.
That’s cool I guess. I can’t imagine grinding that hard though. My hair would catch on fire. More power to them. I’d also hate being a med student on wards for 3 years. Ugh.
I just have a hard time believing you can adequately learn all that material in just 12 months.
It looks excessive because the idea is to give a general preclinical foundation before smoothening the transition to wards where everything begins to make sense, which would help for Step 1 prep. The schools that follow this all generally follow this structure but there are school-specific differences on how this is done.
So its not actually 1 year, its 1 year of pre clinician and then a year that is 50/50 clinical and preclinical topics?
No they cut out a lot of fluff and cram everything into 1 year. I know it sounds intense but it doesn't look bad
The mean/SD of S1 is 232+/-19
Including you.
I made a separate thread on exactly this today. This is exactly how it should be. Didactics should be continued in M2 but students should also be doing clerkships. See that thread if you're interested in what I'd do I guess (was bored this afternoon).No they cut out a lot of fluff and cram everything into 1 year. I know it sounds intense but it doesn't look bad
Here's a sample:
S2 CK is easier as the average increase score from S1 to S2 CK is 10 to 15 points. Average S2 CK scores for most MD schools are in the 240+ range and there seem to be less stratification than S1. So I do think your CV/EC and school reputation will play a big role in matching.
But doesn't S2CK have lower percentiles than S1? As in a given score on S1 has a higher percentile than the same score on S2CK.
100% agree. S2 CK scores may jump even higher now because of what you said and we will only have one test that is scored. More people will pass for sure. The question will be straification of the scores.
Gotta stratify somehow. Still prefer a knowledge exam + intangibles to solely intangibles or connections.
Right but like few SDNers falsely claimed Step 2 is easier. Step 2 got really hard recently even with scored Step 1 in place
Have you ever taken the old practice forms from 10+ years ago and noticed they're an absolute joke? As performamce creeps constantly higher they have to use more and more "hard" items that will have a meaningful number of folks getting them wrong
Oh gotcha. To give you some numbers we can use Form 18.
