Prosth + OMFS combined program at Washington

[simpledoc]

what do you guys think of this new program (heard it is a 6 year prog with optional MD (for 8 years) which is supposedly starting in UWash...what would be the point in combining these 2 extremes of specialty? would it be lucrative?

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[ajmacgregor]

what do you guys think of this new program (heard it is a 6 year prog with optional MD (for 8 years) which is supposedly starting in UWash...what would be the point in combining these 2 extremes of specialty? would it be lucrative?

The idea may be to create an implant specialist who can not only place, but also restore the implant.

I think this is an idiotic idea however - just do prosth and you'll be able to place many implants. Adding OMFS will just allow you to graft from sites besides the chin and ramus (e.g. the hip).

 

[Energon]

Yes, I trully do not see the point of combining these residencies. Each of these specialities has its own full scope of practice that would keep their clinicians busy.

As far as producing dentists who can place and restore implants, they already have those: general dentists who took CDE courses.

I cant imagine anyone who would go through 8years of training, no ones penis is that small.

 

[ISU_Steve]

I cant imagine anyone who would go through 8years of training, no ones penis is that small.

I know some MD surgical specialists who I think you should have a chat with. One of the CT surgeons I know went through 3-4 yrs of general surgical residency, a couple of years of CT fellowship followed by a 2 year transplant fellow ship. I like to see you tell her that she did it because she has a small penis....I think she'd get a good laugh out of that one.

 

[omfsres]

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[drhobie7]

I'm really surprised they'd be combining oms and pros. I can't think of any surgical procedures other than implants, tori removal, and grafting that would come into play in pros. You'd be learning so much more that you'd never use. It just doesn't make sense to me. They're so different. It'd be like combining endo and perio, so you could do RCT and crown lengthening.

 

[BDS-DMD]

I would love to do a Endo_Perio Program. But for now,I want to finish my DMD and get into a private office for 10 years at least.

 

[drhobie7]

I would love to do a Endo_Perio Program. But for now,I want to finish my DMD and get into a private office for 10 years at least.

Maybe that was a bad example. Endo has a tiny scope of practice and perio is kinda small too. Hmmm, how about this medical analogy: it would be like combining cardiothoracic surgery and internal medicine.

 

[ajmacgregor]

Maybe that was a bad example. Endo has a tiny scope of practice and perio is kinda small too. Hmmm, how about this medical analogy: it would be like combining cardiothoracic surgery and internal medicine.

Yeah, but then you'd be a fictional character on a lame NBC TV show...

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[drhobie7]

Yeah, but then you'd be a fictional character on a lame NBC TV show...

http://westwing.bewarne.com/abigail.html

HA!

 

[gonnabdds]

I'm in my third year of dental school. The two specialties that interest me are OMFS and Pros. Yes, one is restorative and one is surgical...completely different, but I can see something really cool coming out of integrating these two. Cleft palate, orofacial cancer, etc. Not just implants. As others have commented, it wouldn't take much for a prosthodontist to place implants. There are a few pros programs already that train in implant placement.

Anyway, does anyone have any other info on this program? I'm assuming it would be super competitive unless the majority of people wouldn't want to invest that kind of time for something that they see as not beneficial.

 

[Jediwendell]

I'm in my third year of dental school. The two specialties that interest me are OMFS and Pros. Yes, one is restorative and one is surgical...completely different, but I can see something really cool coming out of integrating these two. Cleft palate, orofacial cancer, etc. Not just implants. As others have commented, it wouldn't take much for a prosthodontist to place implants. There are a few pros programs already that train in implant placement.

Anyway, does anyone have any other info on this program? I'm assuming it would be super competitive unless the majority of people wouldn't want to invest that kind of time for something that they see as not beneficial.

I hear that their OMS program is pretty malignant, but take that with a grain of salt because it is second hand knowledge from a guy that went to dental school there. Combining the programs seems like a waste of time. Who is going to refer their implant cases to you if you are going to restore them all yourself. OMS treats way less cancer and cleft palate than you might expect, particularly in private practice. Even most faculty are doing much less of those things, as residents are largely interested in cosmetic type procedures. Keep in mind that most dual trained folks end up doing mostly one specialty, so you have to decide if the extra four or three years will really be worth it.

 

[OMFSCardsFan]

I hear that their OMS program is pretty malignant.

During my third year of dental school, we got a new OMS faculty member who came from UW. He left for that reason. I was only interested in six-year programs, so I hadn't planned on applying there anyway. After talking to him, even if I would have been looking at four-year programs, I would not have applied there.

 

[north2southOMFS]

I applied and intervied at Washington. I liked the people there and they didn't seem too malignant, in fact they were all nice. They do have some foreign dual degree chick who does cosmetics they say is kinda malignant, i thought she was nice...kinda MILFish if i remember.

Nice town for a residency.
Traffic sucks.

Too damn many tree huggers.

 

[gbdental]

Tell me more about this. I am interested in applying to their OMS program and would like to hear why this person thought the program was "malignant."

 

[gonnabdds]

It just sounded kind of cool to me b/c I can't decide which one I would rather do...OMFS or Pros. The director of the pros dept came from my school, LSU, so that might help me. He was a pros resident back when I was a lab tech student, so we interacted regularly. My sister lives in Seattle, too, so it would be cool live near her.
I guess I just need to make a decision btwn one of the specialties. Eight years is a damn long time, especially if I'm having to put up with A-holes the whole time.

 

[Jediwendell]

Is your point of comparison Dr. Ghali?

I applied and intervied at Washington. I liked the people there and they didn't seem too malignant, in fact they were all nice. They do have some foreign dual degree chick who does cosmetics they say is kinda malignant, i thought she was nice...kinda MILFish if i remember.

Nice town for a residency.
Traffic sucks.

Too damn many tree huggers.

 

[toofache32]

They do have some foreign dual degree chick who does cosmetics they say is kinda malignant, i thought she was nice...kinda MILFish if i remember.

Is your point of comparison Dr. Ghali?

...as being MILFish?

 

[OMFSCardsFan]

Tell me more about this. I am interested in applying to their OMS program and would like to hear why this person thought the program was "malignant."

Most of what I heard was about the MILF that North2South spoke of. All my info is secondhand, so I'll let others comment on what they've seen themselves.

 

[Jediwendell]

...as being MILFish?

He is pretty MILF ish. Did he rub your knee on the interview?
That is disturbing on so many levels.

 

[toofache32]

He is pretty MILF ish. Did he rub your knee on the interview?
That is disturbing on so many levels.

 

[groundhog]

During my third year of dental school, we got a new OMS faculty member who came from UW. He left for that reason. I was only interested in six-year programs, so I hadn't planned on applying there anyway. After talking to him, even if I would have been looking at four-year programs, I would not have applied there.

Perio rules at the UW. Which is the way is ought to be.

 

[OMFSCardsFan]

Perio rules at the UW. Which is the way is ought to be.

Then I guess I'll apply there if I get tired of being challenged in my professional endeavors. Can I consult you for some tips the next time I use a periotome to extract a tooth?

 

[simpledoc]

Perio rules at the UW. Which is the way is ought to be.

why is perio even a specialty?

 

[toofache32]

why is perio even a specialty?

...especially when the patient always ends up in the oral surgeon's office for an extraction anyway. The only good treatment for Perio is cold steel & sunshine.

 

[Jediwendell]

...especially when the patient always ends up in the oral surgeon's office for an extraction anyway. The only good treatment for Perio is cold steel & sunshine.

Hey, common.
Some people like their extractions extremely slow and painful. Nothing like a root resection.

 

[Drtrigeminal]

Who needs a buccle plate - not the OMS!!! Taking out teeth atraumatically is not that difficult and I really don't think 4-6 more yrs of school is needed like you think. You make me laugh! Leave the implants and anything aesthetically concered to the perios where they belong!

 

[Bifid Uvula]

Who needs a buccle plate - not the OMS!!! Taking out teeth atraumatically is not that difficult and I really don't think 4-6 more yrs of school is needed like you think. You make me laugh! Leave the implants and anything aesthetically concered to the perios where they belong!

God, you perio people just kill me... This "aesthetic/gentle/soft-tissue handling" mumbo-jumbo is such a load of crap! THE BOTTOM LINE IS, OMFS people deal with "soft tissue on a much larger and important scale daily! FACIAL TRAUMA (INCLUDING DELICATE CASES SUCH AS CHILDREN in AESTHETIC ZONES, etc), SKIN CANCER, SKIN GRAFTS, FLAP RECONSTRUCTION, MICROVASCULAR, MICRONEURO NERVE REPAIR,, CRANIOFACIAL/Cleft Lip-Palate.. the LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON....

I know plenty of general dentists who can extract teeth with the best of the OMFS guys out there.... that's not the point. Its about being efficient, being legit, knowing how to handle and manage the complications. Its not about driving a spatula around a tooth like a little fairy for a few hours.

I'll take someone who can do those procedures and has done them by the hundreds and thousands ANYDAY of the week over a periodontist with a chip on his/her shoulder thinking they are a "gingival plastic surgeon."

 

[OMFS2B]

Buccle? You reminded me of an OR nurse who kept spelling buccal b-u-c-k-l-e...

Who needs a buccle plate - not the OMS!!! Taking out teeth atraumatically is not that difficult and I really don't think 4-6 more yrs of school is needed like you think. You make me laugh! Leave the implants and anything aesthetically concered to the perios where they belong!

 

[LLU2004gradND]

I someone were truly interested in placing implants, including grafts, and fully restoring the implants, all without doing an OMFS res or a prosth res, there are 3-yr "implant" programs out there that train dentists in these areas. I know that Loma Linda has such a program, I have not checked but there must be others as well. It is a certificate program, since there is obviously no "implant" specialty...

If you truly want to focus only on implant placement and restoration, this is (in my opinion) the way to go. I have thought about it myself, but I don't know if I could only do those cases 24/7, even though it is big $$$