Anyone with any insight to this? Expected shortages 6-8 weeks. My affiliated hospitals are cancelling elective imaging with contrast.
i think that's no longer available eitherwe switched to isovue,
mmhm, no issues here (midwest)i think that's no longer available either
Many practices have little choice but to use the same vial for multiple patients. I suppose the choice is to cancel procedures. The harm in that case is greater, IMO.
In the days before the northwest compounding contamination issue, we re-used contrast vials all day in the surgery center. Never an issue.
What is your protocol for using the same vial multiple times?
Care to explain the science?we have issues as well.
i dont see how we can start multi-using the vials now. either it is safe or it isnt -- the shortage shouldnt push it one way or another. contrast is expensive and if we could have been multi-using in the past then we should have been. my impression is that the CDC is pretty clear on this
id love to be able to re-use the bottles.Care to explain the science?
I only drop a single 18g/case. Use it to draw up all meds and as a pointer.Why would there ever be an opportunity to use an old needle?
We open a new pack that has a plethora of new needles and syringes every case and discard the entire pack after every case. Why would anyone practice differently than that? I use multi dose products routinely and will continue to do so.
A new 18g per case right?I only drop a single 18g/case. Use it to draw up all meds and as a pointer.
Yes. But if i need more contrast (which is rare) id need to drop another 18g and syringe. Not a big deal.A new 18g per case right?
So, take that needle and draw meds. Then use it as a pointer. When case is finished throw it away right?
They will never know. If you ever need more meds in a case, get a new needle dropped and place old one used as pointer in sharps container first.Yes. But if i need more contrast (which is rare) id need to drop another 18g and syringe. Not a big deal.
I dont have a problem with using multidose vials and have advocated for it extensively. Administrators with lots of initials after their names feel otherwise
How are you going to treat patients?Is anyone else having their supply of omnipaque removed and given to the hospital yet?
How are you going to treat patients?
Switching to gad
Why not just use nothing at all? Save all your contrast for cervicals.Switching to gad
Yes you can, it's just not as reliable.cant do a TFESI without contrast.
are you con check CrCl on everyone wh get gad? only over 65?
How long till it crystallizes? I thought it was quickNot that this is 100% the correct thing to do, but our RN will draw the omnipaque into a large syringe at the beginning of the day, then will squirt out a little into our procedure tray each case. No reentering a vial and there is no touching of the needle tip. End of day the syringe is discarded.
Sounds like a bad idea. Any complication and you are hosedYes you can, it's just not as reliable.
This sounds way worse than tapping a single vial repeatedly. Once syringe being used all day is not a rubber stopper vial.Not that this is 100% the correct thing to do, but our RN will draw the omnipaque into a large syringe at the beginning of the day, then will squirt out a little into our procedure tray each case. No reentering a vial and there is no touching of the needle tip. End of day the syringe is discarded.
I disagree. The act of wiping the top and puncturing has the potential to cause contamination, I think drawing the whole thing as mentioned above is a good alternative.This sounds way worse than tapping a single vial repeatedly. Once syringe being used all day is not a rubber stopper vial.
Your logic is flawed.I disagree. The act of wiping the top and puncturing has the potential to cause contamination, I think drawing the whole thing as mentioned above is a good alternative.
reading the CDC info, i think this is less recommended than drawing from the same vial multiple times. the contrast sits in the large syringe to fester...Not that this is 100% the correct thing to do, but our RN will draw the omnipaque into a large syringe at the beginning of the day, then will squirt out a little into our procedure tray each case. No reentering a vial and there is no touching of the needle tip. End of day the syringe is discarded.
CDC recognizes the problem of drug shortages; however, such shortages are a result of manufacturing, shipping, and other issues unrelated to the above guidelines (http://www.fda.gov/DrugShortageReport ). CDC ’s priority is protecting patients from harm. CDC routinely investigates and is apprised of infectious disease outbreaks involving single-dose/single-use vials being used for multiple patients. These outbreaks cause extensive harm to patients, and they are associated with significant healthcare and legal expenses. Therefore, CDC continues to strongly support its current policies regarding single-dose/single-use vials. It is imperative that drug shortages and drug waste concerns are dealt with appropriately and do not lead to unsafe medical practices that impose increased disease risk on patients. Shortages of some essential medications may warrant implementation of meticulously applied practice and quality standards to subdivide contents of singledose/single-use vials, as stated in United States Pharmacopeia General Chapter <797> Pharmaceutical Compounding – Sterile Preparations.
According to CDC, there is never a circumstance when contents from a single-dose/single-use vial may be used for more than one patient.
CDC recommends that providers limit the sharing of medications whenever possible. Qualified healthcare personnel may repackage medication from a previously unopened single-dose/single-use vial into multiple single-use vehicles (e.g., syringes). This should only be performed under ISO Class 5 conditions in accordance with standards in the United States Pharmacopeia General Chapter 797, Pharmaceutical Compounding – Sterile Preparations, as well as the manufacturer’s recommendations pertaining to safe storage of that medication outside of its original container
I have 3 infections over my career. 1 SCS in RA patient. 1 ESI in RA patient. 1 SCS in a guy who went in ocean POD2.Not sure why this is really being discussed TBH.
Despite all the different ways to clean and prep and draw meds, raise your hand if you've caused an infxn with an ESI...
Also, clean the stopper before and after each draw from the vial. We use multidose contrast, steroid, local and saline. So right there I'm apparently brazenly and wildly throwing caution to the wind and exposing my pts to severe risk on every injxn.
Right, so you've got pts with immune dz. Don't use the needle after it falls on the floor.I have 3 infections over my career. 1 SCS in RA patient. 1 ESI in RA patient. 1 SCS in a guy who went in ocean POD2.
All treated with IV ABX and explant. Reimplanted the RA patient after 6 mo and cleared by ID. 5+ years ago.
No deficits in any patient.
Lick it and stick it.Right, so you've got pts with immune dz. Don't use the needle after it falls on the floor.
It might be a matter of time. If it was available where I lived, I would probably buy as much as possible right now anticipating that shortages will probably get a lot worse before they get better.mmhm, no issues here (midwest)