Haha! Doing good my fellow American Psycho. Yeah it is such a school-specific thing that no general advice can be given which I acknowledged, curious though if there is a compiled list somewhere of schools that actually use casper in their admissions process rather than just collecting data.
Ditto
One small quibble. It's newish thing whose claim to fame is that it is a non-cognitive metric that supposedly increases diversity while positively correlating to some really awesome stuff.
The Canadians swear by it, but then again, they have a dollar that's only worth 79 cents! OTOH, we can't know this either, at least not without some transparency from the schools.
), but saying it will definitely do nothing, without any data at all to back that up, is the other extreme of saying it's huge.Frankly I find that hilarious! But then again I'm not the AAMC $nonprofit$ nor an adcom so who knows. I still stand by my statement that the exam is a joke and should not be considered in any capacity in its current state where command V can carry you to a 75th-100th percentile score. Maybe that'll give me a late II at the single casper school I applied to
Test is definitely a joke. OTOH, there are plenty of folks on reddit who thought they mastered the command-V technique and were less than thrilled with the results. YMMV with that.Frankly I find that hilarious! But then again I'm not the AAMC $nonprofit$ nor an adcom so who knows. I still stand by my statement that the exam is a joke and should not be considered in any capacity in its current state where command V can carry you to a 75th-100th percentile score. Maybe that'll give me a late II at the single casper school I applied to
Ah yes, the classic 'standardized' exam that gives completely variable grades to masses of people using the same template. My guess is that the "multiple people grading" scheme is just a bunch of BS, and that only one person ever sees your CASPER and grades it on a rubric. They'll either see your word spill and template and love it, or they'll hate it. There's really no other explanation for why people literally using fill-in templates can get from 0-25th or 75th-100th percentile.
Let's assume for the sake of argument that you did well. If so, your experience is certainly consistent with what @gonnif reported, meaning that at least some schools use it as an input in making interview decisions. But that doesn't mean all schools that require it actually use it, or that schools use it to screen out those with bad scores. Did any of your CASPer schools not interview you? If so, what does that tell us?
A reflex test would probably be more useful than both of those honestly. Hell, at this rate, and with the usage of epic, a typing test would be more indicative of physician performance.
Sounds like speculation. I'll add to the speculation too. Typing more just gives more opportunity to touch upon things that they look for
Nope, not speculation. It was written/presented in a ppt by the CASPER admins or something. Can't find it now since I'm on mobile but I can link it later. It was one of 6 factors I think they grade on?
To the best of my knowledge that’s not true but I’d be happy to be linked to the presentation to prove me wrong. I’ve read the PowerPoints and literature on casper (which is what I believe you are referencing) and those only mention how raters are rated to ensure validity among all recruited raters. If they actually gave out metrics in these, people on sdn and reddit would be discussing those more, and it wouldn’t be such a black box.
I believe what he's referring to is somewhere they talk about "effort" being one of the grading criteria. Like the more effort you put in, the higher score you get. And I think some people took that to translate to word count, and while I doubt they do a literal word count and assign points that way, if the grader is told to evaluate for effort they will probably award more points to answers that are longer and contain more thoughts, even if the thoughts might not be well developed.
I took the practice test, red through one reddit post about "strategy". I wouldn't put more effort into it than familiarizing yourself with the structure and the interface. Just try to comment on everyone's perspectives and how solutions would affect different people.
Literally 10 minutes. I only have 1 CASPER requiring program on my list and it was my verification throwaway that I didn't know required CASPER, so I ended up just taking it a bit later and just said f it.
I did the Bemo practice questions, watched one of their 10 min videos, and did the Casper practice test. That's it and got 4th quartile.
Here's the thing that everyone's either glossing over, or doesn't realize, and it's the reason the test really is total BS --you're asking about 4th quartile, but it is really difficult to prepare or game it because you are not being scored against an objective standard. You are being scored strictly against everyone else taking it on the single date you take it.
Is this actually true? because in that case, considering it's graded by actual people and not automatically, I think word spill (aka word count) might actually directly translate to a higher score unless you are writing gibberish.
I will say I had a list of things in my head. Like consider all viewpoints, approach and bring people to the side, talk to them in an empathetic manner. Stuff like that. For the questions where they talk about you see so and so on the beach but they said they were sick, always just say you would first approach that person in a non-judgmental way, find out more about the situation, gather all the facts... I basically tried to get all these buzzwords across on every question and it worked.
None of us knows the precise metrics the graders use to grade, but, yes, it's absolutely true.
Not even -- it's meant to be a non-cognitive objective metric with a positive correlation to good later outcomes meant to increase diversity. So, you really need to replace the bingo wheel with whatever will achieve their stated desired goal (high score = increased diversity and success in school and profession).
Really they should just eliminate everyone who doesn't like cilantro
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Do you mind me asking how you got to see your score? It was my understanding that Casper scores weren’t released to students. Did they change that this cycle?Hey! So I got my CASPER score back and it is in the bottom quartile. I applied to 13 schools that use CASPER and they are all US MDs - how badly will this hurt my chances? I know it differs from school to school, so does anyone have a list of schools that use CASPER as a part of their admission decisions? Thanks
