I know, and it was answered. I just didn't think I had to.
Role and context is why, dude. Also, I don’t typically discuss things when on the toilet.
I’m just like not a robot.
It seems like you repeatedly volunteered your point of view, you wanted people to pay attention to it because you mentioned it multiple times, without prompting - you offered your point of view completely of your own volition - and now that people are paying attention to your point of view just like you wanted, you’re bowing out of the discussion.
Personally, I think setting a boundary by politely dipping out internet thread is a good practice. I totally get it. Sometimes discussion on the internet just kind of lose interest after a while or something else pops up.
Another issue with online discussions like this is they really can be devoid of all other contexts. Often, the ONLY thing we know about the person we're talking to I that we really disagree on an issue that is important to us. I don't get to see that we also enjoy drinking the same bourbon or that you're wearing a band t-shirt from a show I saw, or that you are a middle-aged bald guy just like me. It makes us pretty one dimensional.
If you're buying, I'm drinking (gotta be ideologically consistent, right?)!!Spot on. Very well said and very much agreed. I love me some JD or Johnnie Walker. Side note - I was fortunate enough to snag me a small bottle of Louis XIII. Pair some cognac with a DR cigar, and you sir, have yourself an academic debate
I'm from massachusetts- pretty sure my taxes pay for the health care of dogs in red states.Full disclaimer, this is intended to be a joke (not at you), but our dogs receive free healthcare, free food, and free housing. We call them our "little Democrats."
Yep. And what kind of fool would be ok helping to fund a less fortunate persons medical wellbeing. I must be some kind of schmuck, right? What kind of idiot would willingly give his hard earned money to assure that a less financially able citizen would be able to pay for basic health care? I could probably swing that fourth car if my taxes weren't so highThey don't call it "Tax-achusetts" for no reason. I used to live in Boston for a while (my husband and I got married in the court room in downtown right after DOMA was struck down in 2013.
Your taxes pay for....everybody.
Yep. And what kind of fool would be ok helping to fund a less fortunate persons medical wellbeing. I must be some kind of schmuck, right? What kind of idiot would willingly give his hard earned money to assure that a less financially able citizen would be able to pay for basic health care? I could probably swing that fourth car if my taxes weren't so high
Still want to share your liquor with me?
For one, this has been one of the tamest discussions on SDN. I am wondering at what point one perceived it as not respectful. Next, the only real viewpoints that have been even remotely attacked is the issue of academic freedom and free speech, which it would appear most are actually in agreement about. The only question raised was an apparent glaring inconsistency posed.
Last, given the mild nature of this discussion, if this is what is considered "out of bounds", or "too much," that does not bode well. If we can't manage the discomfort of examining our own ideas, how can we rightly critique others in any intellectually honest way? Something, something, snowflakes. Something, something, grow a pair.
www.houstonchronicle.com
Ok, I will play the Straw Man/Red Herring game too:Just to put more out there:
Opinion: Inclusive or alienating? The language wars go on.
Latino to Latinx. Women to people with uteruses. Homeless to houseless. LGBT to LGBTQIA2S+. Revising words to be more inclusive leaves people out, fuels right.
www.vice.com
Ok, I will play the Straw Man/Red Herring game too:
Xbox Is Woke Now According to Republicans
“They’re trying to recruit your kids into climate politics at an earlier age. Make them climate conscious now.”
That is an article on non-related to tangentially related topic, from a biased source that can be use in an attempt to discredit/weaken a position made by someone on the other side of an argument, as follows: "look at this nonsense: Ted Cruz is grandstanding (or has lost his f'in mind). Cruz's point is invalid because he is grandstanding nut jub. Desantis is similar to Ted Cruz on a few levels (e.g., Red State politician; Republican; Conservative), thus his behaviors are the same as Ted Cruz. Because of this, DeSantis's position is also ridiculous and should be argued against." Mic dropped, 'pubs owned!
It's not logical argument. It's a deflection, a trick. Here's a more logical argument for Desantis's position:
"The people of the state of Florida, based on the overwhelming results of recent general elections, CLEARLY support more traditional, western- centric views about what society should be. These people, through their taxes, support several public academic institutions of higher learning. For decades, people within these institutions have espoused, taught, and even demonstrated for a decidedly non-western-centric view about what society should be. Non-regulatory attempts to address this issue have not been successful, thus we must take regulatory/legislative action to assure that the people of Florida do not have to financially support the teaching of views they do not agree with. Further, the level of dichotomy between what the people of Florida believe and what is being taught is so extreme as to be damaging to the students and the state as whole. As a result, the actions of those that teach these dichotomous view points rise to the level of criminal activity. Not only does is need to be defunded, but it needs to be punished."
While a more logical argument, there are a few legal issues regarding academic freedom and states enacting policies that go against the first amendment of the constitution (e.g., even if a state law mandating the harboring of military personnel in private homes at any time passed with 100% of the citizens voting for it, the state could not enact that law because of the 3rd amendment). My opinion (I know it's biased- afterall my evil state mandated that I take a social psych course in graduate school as a condition of being able to legally do my job, those tyrants!) is that Desantis is very much aware that his regulatory positions against DEI, CRT, and "wokeness" are unconstitutional. He either doesn't expect that they be legally held up and is just trying to make it more difficult for opposing views in the meantime, or he has (hopefully) misjudged the current SCOTUS and believes they would take a rather narrow view of 1st amendment rights.
As an aside, I read the linked to Houston Chronicle editorial. I'm actually not sure which position in the argument it supports. The final paragraph seems to me (again- interpretation/opinion that is subject to bias!) that it is saying that if dems don't stop acting silly like this, Republicans will continue to use this kind of thing as an example to continue acting silly themselves. That actually more closely resemble my view of the issue: While it's important to fight the small battles to win the war, don't let the smaller first amendment stuff distract you from the more existential threats of the attacks on the 5th, 8th, 13th, 14th, et cetera. Thanks for supporting my side, now pass the cognac!
And it was -9 degrees when I was doing it, so I happily postponed my trip to the dump to do so. As to your point - mental gymnastics? Yes- it is sometimes necessary to work a little harder to be logical with one's own argument, as well as to identify and counter illogical arguments coming from the other side. As to your second point, glad I could resolve your dissonance for you
And it was -9 degrees when I was doing it, so I happily postponed my trip to the dump to do so. As to your point - mental gymnastics? Yes- it is sometimes necessary to work a little harder to be logical with one's own argument, as well as to identify and counter illogical arguments coming from the other side. As to your second point, glad I could resolve your dissonance for you
Ok- but what exactly is that position (beyond "I support Desantis). I've sincerely tried to articulate my position in terms of policies, my expected outcomes of these policies, and how these policies relate to existing ones (e.g. the constitution). At the very least, I've gone beyond just saying "I don't agree with Desantis" abpnd then present at best tenuouslyb related evidence of extremists on the other side acting extreme. Of course, you are under no obligation to identify your position here or anywhere else (yet).Not my dissonance
Much like you, I too am confident in my position I support on this matter.
I appreciate your reply.
I honestly believe they are not ok with it, but it is rather a necessary evil along the path to the American they think is best. Really scary stuff.
You do understand that, by saying your position (which is opposite of mine) is based on "morals," you are saying that I am immoral. All kidding aside, that's just not very nice. I thought we were drinking buddies!
I think you are making a pretty big leap here and seems like you might be looking for a reason to be offended. You asked me my opinion, and I provided it. When I mentioned it aligns with my morals, it’s the truth, but I’m also not implying that your stance on the matter isn’t aligned with your morals, or is somehow “immoral.” You chose to interpret it that way.
Not sure what to tell you? You don’t have to trust me. I think it’s interesting you are choosing to make lavish conclusions about me based on some of my responses on an isolated topic. There have been posts you’ve made in other threads I may not agree with, but many others I do. I still won’t draw lavish conclusions about you as a person because I do not know you. But to each their own I suppose.
Things ranging from speculating that I would somehow approach my forensic work as I do on an online forum, and just a moment ago stating you can no longer trust my opinions because you think they are hypocritical or contradictory. Maybe it’s worthwhile to take a step back to consider that the lens you are opting to interpret my responses may not align with how you see things. If that is understood, then it would make sense that maybe some of my things are contradictory or hypocritical. At the same time, I realize I’ve opted to not go into depth in some of my previous responses, so you are probably making your own inferences. I’ve already mentioned to ABA my position on the matter, and if that isn’t sufficient, I really don’t want to waste my Saturday evening going back and forth on something that frankly, is a multi-factorial decision that will not be litigated here.
It is. That’s a pretty big decision to make considering you are basing your decision on very uni-dimensional criteria. That to me is pretty lavish as that represents a decision where it is implied that you have factored every single post I would have ever made, and you know information about me outside of this forum to come to a holistic interpretation of my decision making capacity. That is lavish. But I will infer that this is likely not the case, but rather, you are making a judgment anchored to my comments on this thread.
You have said that your positions is based on morals, thus - de facto- it is the moral one. My position on the issues at hand is the opposite of yours. The opposite of moral is immoral (or amoral- I get those confused). It follows then that my postion- being the opposite of yours, which is stated to be "moral"- is immoral. Also, I have the curse/blessing of not ever being offended (at least not with rhetoric alone, thus looking for a reason to be offended was not my goal. I just think it's not nice to accuse people you don't really know and who have tried to be nice (for the most part!) of being immoral. I was really looking forward to some cognac in Texas. I've been there a few times, and it was very pretty.
