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Yes. These women marry rich rich. Like real estate developers rich.
This ain't anesthesia money.
Honestly I have been a follower of that franchise since it's began and only a few women on their actually have and make some of their own money or have real careers.
The above women are a couple of them. The other ones I can think of are Vicki from the OC, Kenya and Candi from ATL. All t the rest ff these women marry well. And once they have financial backing many of them then launch successful business or careers.
Quite disturbing to watch many of these women feel so entitled to their ex husband's money.
 
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chocomorsel said:
Yes. These women marry rich rich. Like real estate developers rich.
This ain't anesthesia money.
Honestly I have been a follower of that franchise since it's began and only a few women on their actually have and make some of their own money or have real careers.
The above women are a couple of them. The other ones I can think of are Vicki from the OC, Kenya and Candi from ATL. All t the rest ff these women marry well. And once they have financial backing many of them then launch successful business or careers.
Quite disturbing to watch many of these women feel so entitled to their ex husband's money.
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It goes both ways. The female anesthesiologists in my old group who divorced meatball stay at home husbands are as OUTRAGED as any male doc at paying spousal support. Love it. Sauce for the goose.
 
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Lots of shady business in florida. Suspect the lawyer baby daddy abuses the insurance claim business. One of the reason florida insurance especially home owners and car insurance is so high. But that’s how most people get ahead in the world.

Cheat (like the Melvin capital guy who cheated and go away with it back in 2014). Doesn’t matter if he had to close his fund 2 months ago. Once you cheat and make it big. You are set. He too has some mega miami mansion.
 
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It goes both ways. The female anesthesiologists in my old group who divorced meatball stay at home husbands are as OUTRAGED as any male doc at paying spousal support. Love it. Sauce for the goose.
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We should all be outraged. I am as well. That was meant that people shouldn’t be entitled to other people’s money just because they married them. Unless there have been some serious sacrifices. Even then, there needs to be a limit. Some people end up broke barely able to support themselves.
Anyway, that show doesn’t have broke ex husbands but some of those women are so judgemental to others who don’t have as much money like they busted their assess working for that money Simply because they married a rich dude. People get greedy and entitled.
Am not sure what you mean by sauce for the goose. But these laws were mostly written or evolved from way back when women didn’t work outside the home much. Much like other laws they should be revised as time changes.
 
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chocomorsel said:
We are anesthesiologists. How many of us actually get reviewed? I have two of them in 10 years of practice and one is from my ex husband.
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The one anesthesiologist I know who actually got a review got a horrible review. I have no reviews, but I sometimes get patient requests for me to do their anesthesia again, so I know they remember me.
 
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She’s not the only anesthesiologist. I’m guessing their spouses have a lot to do with their status.

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Dr. Tiffany Moon was my advisor for anes in med school. I have nothing but good things to say about her. She's one of those people that Asian parents always compare you to, even prior to marrying rich.

In response to the OP, UTSW pays around $300k for general anesthesiologists... So do the math.
 
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dchz said:
Dr. Tiffany Moon was my advisor for anes in med school. I have nothing but good things to say about her. She's one of those people that Asian parents always compare you to, even prior to marrying rich.

In response to the OP, UTSW pays around $300k for general anesthesiologists... So do the math.
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300k, carry the 4, multiply by 6 is 44 million
 
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dchz said:
Dr. Tiffany Moon was my advisor for anes in med school. I have nothing but good things to say about her. She's one of those people that Asian parents always compare you to, even prior to marrying rich.

In response to the OP, UTSW pays around $300k for general anesthesiologists... So do the math.
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The base pay may be low 300s. But that’s before calls etc?

That’s the way it is at most true state academic places.

One of the academics guys I know is at state true academic place and the advertised salary is 310-330k. Yet he makes close to 400k not doing much more work than the private practice guys. He only complaint is not having one true non clinical day.
 
just checked; no reviews for me.

I would echo dchz's comments about Dr. Moon. I was on faculty (or maybe an ICU fellow; can't remember) when she was a resident, and she was one of the most capable, compassionate, and hard-working residents I remember. That she is in the position she is in and chooses to remain in academics and still publish legit research with regularity is a testament to her ability and character.
 
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dchz said:
Dr. Tiffany Moon was my advisor for anes in med school. I have nothing but good things to say about her. She's one of those people that Asian parents always compare you to, even prior to marrying rich.
In response to the OP, UTSW pays around $300k for general anesthesiologists... So do the math.
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I know an anesthesia tech who used to work with her. He only has good things to say about her too.
 
The franchise is called Real Housewives, the fact that they pick women with Real Jobs is pretty counterintuitive.
 
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The franchise is called Real Housewives, the fact that they pick women with Real Jobs is pretty counterintuitive.
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True true. But they pick them because rarely some of these circles and husbands have working women as their friends/spouses.
I remember Candy one time making a comment about how some women spend money without a care or thought. She said something like “I gotta think of how I spend my money cuz I actually work for and early my own money”. She’s a rarity in that franchise for sure.
 
Not to change the direction of the thread, but the reality is that in some places (may not be the best locations though) it does pay very well. To paraphrase from "Seinfeld", the below job posting "is real and it [can be for the right person] spectacular". That max of 700k is real; a prior fellow I trained is approaching that amount. 1 year fellowship+some intestinal fortitude with occasional strange personalities and not the best locations can=gold mine long term. Worked for me at least. :)

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Not to change the direction of the thread, but the reality is that in some places (may not be the best locations though) it does pay very well. To paraphrase from "Seinfeld", the below job posting "is real and it [can be for the right person] spectacular". That max of 700k is real; a prior fellow I trained is approaching that amount. 1 year fellowship+some intestinal fortitude with occasional strange personalities and not the best locations can=gold mine long term. Worked for me at least. :)

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But how hard are people working at that job in the gaswork post to reach 700?
 
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But how hard are people working at that job in the gaswork post to reach 700?
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Obviously working hard. No matter what field you’re in you have to work hard to reach 700. It’s literally 99.5 percentile income. Why is everyone complaining about working hard. Yes it’s not a hard rule to understand if you want to make money you gotta work hard.
 
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sevo00 said:
Obviously working hard. No matter what field you’re in you have to work hard to reach 700. It’s literally 99.5 percentile income. Why is everyone complaining about working hard. Yes it’s not a hard rule to understand if you want to make money you gotta work hard.
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No one's complaining. I'm asking because that place is an academic (or quasi-academic) medical center with residents and probably a lot of 1:2 supervision, and also not in a particularly wealthy area or state...so being able to make 700 in that kind of job no matter how hard you work seems strange.
 
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No one's complaining. I'm asking because that place is an academic (or quasi-academic) medical center with residents and probably a lot of 1:2 supervision, and also not in a particularly wealthy area or state...so being able to make 700 in that kind of job no matter how hard you work seems strange.
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They have always advertised really good money. And there is a person here who works there who has verified it. I don’t know what gives but apparently this is what they make.
 
sevo00 said:
Obviously working hard. No matter what field you’re in you have to work hard to reach 700. It’s literally 99.5 percentile income. Why is everyone complaining about working hard. Yes it’s not a hard rule to understand if you want to make money you gotta work hard.
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People want it all. They want to make 600-700k q30 days calls or no call at all and working no more than 45 hours a week doing all asa 1-2 patients.

And we all still believe in tooth fairies.

Yes. There are a few pocket areas where those jobs may exist. But for how long it it will last. We don’t know.
 
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aneftp said:
People want it all. They want to make 600-700k q30 days calls or no call at all and working no more than 45 hours a week doing all asa 1-2 patients.

And we all still believe in tooth fairies.

Yes. There are a few pocket areas where those jobs may exist. But for how long it it will last. We don’t know.
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I would work that job
 
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Yeah she’s working. I’m think she mentioned 50-60 hrs, plus picked up a couple of calls (1-2) a month. Remember though you always have a resident/Crna on call with you and non-clinical days. Unsure about vacation though.

She worked PP and academics and said for her work is way easier in academics. 4:1 PP is no joke, lots of stess and hustling.

There are others out there too! Just look around
 
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Yeah she’s working. I’m think she mentioned 50-60 hrs, plus picked up a couple of calls (1-2) a month. Remember though you always have a resident/Crna on call with you and non-clinical days. Unsure about vacation though.

She worked PP and academics and said for her work is way easier in academics. 4:1 PP is no joke, lots of stess and hustling.

There are others out there too! Just look around
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If it’s lsu. Like most state facilities as employee. Probably soveign immunity from lawsuits. So may not be a bad deal. It’s really the stress of nights and trauma that wear people down. I did real trauma 1 the first 3 years of my career. It’s fun when you are young. I wasn’t stressed to be honest being young. But I moved on to community hospitals and than outpatient said the community and outpatient places even with beeper calls or no calls was even busier and stressed. Went back to trauma 1 academic place for a couple of years. It was ok. Saturday calls were tiring since I was 10 years older and up all night. But the work with residents and crnas made it less tiring.
 
chocomorsel said:
They have always advertised really good money. And there is a person here who works there who has verified it. I don’t know what gives but apparently this is what they make.
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Yeah I've heard it's real as well. I'm just curious how it works to get paid that much in that area in that job, especially when 1. Large health systems like Ochsner (or CCF, Geisinger, Mayo, Kaiser etc) where the physicians are employed never earn that much, and 2. Even if Ochsner had a contract to pay LSU that much per physician, LSU and other universities usually "tax" collections before disbursing salaries to their physicians because they usually need to use their high earning academic physicians billing to offset other deficits or fund other things in the school (like the Chancellor and Dean's big ass salaries) .
 
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Wouldn't mind working hard (for a few years) but problem is when you leave the hospital you have to live in Shreveport. Hard pass.
 
vector2 said:
Large health systems like Ochsner (or CCF, Geisinger, Mayo, Kaiser etc) where the physicians are employed never earn that much
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I would re-evaluate those assumptions. Mayo pays extremely well in my specialty; better than many private practices. I think CCF does as well, but the workload is high.
 
maxxor said:
I would re-evaluate those assumptions. Mayo pays extremely well in my specialty; better than many private practices. I think CCF does as well, but the workload is high.
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Ortho joint, neurosurgeons, congenital CT surgeons etc may have some lucrative contracts because they bring in pts for procedures that have massive facility fees or because they're an extremely hard to recruit kind of specialist.

Service specialties like anesthesiology are a commodity-like drag and very, very rarely are pushing 95+% MGMA in academic or employed models.
 
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vector2 said:
Ortho joint, neurosurgeons etc may have some lucrative special contracts because they bring in pts. Service specialties like anesthesiology are a commodity-like drag and very, very rarely are pushing 95+% MGMA in academic or employed models.
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I know you are speaking in general, but for radiology specifically, those two institutions pay extremely well.
 
maxxor said:
I know you are speaking in general, but for radiology specifically, those two institutions pay extremely well.
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It's possible the subsidy system there is different based on need (maybe recruiting anes and rads has been extremely difficult), because I know ppl who work for Ochsner in other areas and low 4's is where they are capping out.
 
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The only thing keeping these indigent hospitals afloat are
1. State funding for trauma services/poor people
2. City/local levy taxes to support hospital

That’s where the money is coming from.

That’s what really pays the salaries.
 
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sevo00 said:
Obviously working hard. No matter what field you’re in you have to work hard to reach 700. It’s literally 99.5 percentile income. Why is everyone complaining about working hard. Yes it’s not a hard rule to understand if you want to make money you gotta work hard.
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Idk dude. I know my CT counterparts at UTSW and how much extra call they were doing just to get their salary above 400k. They would need to work a lot more hours to make anywhere close to >75th percentile. Can't compare to the local private practices in the area, especially factoring in the hours worked (whether administrative or clinical). Even the AMCs in the area make significantly more. People usually choose to stay in Academics (at least in my area) either because they like the collegial environment and teaching or the lifestyle, not the money

BTW, is 700k the 99.5th percentile now? Thought it was a lot more. Like 900k+
 
sethco said:
Idk dude. I know my CT counterparts at UTSW and how much extra call they were doing just to get their salary above 400k. They would need to work a lot more hours to make anywhere close to >75th percentile. Can't compare to the local private practices in the area, especially factoring in the hours worked (whether administrative or clinical). Even the AMCs in the area make significantly more. People usually choose to stay in Academics (at least in my area) either because they like the collegial environment and teaching or the lifestyle, not the money

BTW, is 700k the 99.5th percentile now? Thought it was a lot more. Like 900k+
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sevo00 said:
I meant in terms of incomes in America. Not just in anesthesia.
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Yeah but the median income of 65,000 is really pulling that down though. Cant really compare the average household income to physician income as you have a 10 year educational time burden that needs factoring in. A overall MD/DO comparison would be more apt. $339k is the median for physicians (generalists and specialists combined). However, I dont know if there is a bell-curve widely available to determine 99% or standard deviations.
 
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