2006 Perio Programs

[sridhar]

Hello,
I have applied for 2006 perio programs in 13 universities. So far I have got only 1 interview call from Ohio state university. I know that deadlines for most of the univ are Sep 1, but most schools start their interview process way before the deadline. Is there anyone who had applied and waiting for interview or got a call from any universities.

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[toofache32]

I think you're the only one applying.

 

[northcity]

where did you apply, i know this year there is an increase in perio app's at least where i am for perio resdiency. Depends on your scores as well.

Hello,
I have applied for 2006 perio programs in 13 universities. So far I have got only 1 interview call from Ohio state university. I know that deadlines for most of the univ are Sep 1, but most schools start their interview process way before the deadline. Is there anyone who had applied and waiting for interview or got a call from any universities.

 

[northcity]

residency

where did you apply, i know this year there is an increase in perio app's at least where i am for perio resdiency. Depends on your scores as well.

 

[periochip]

I applied to 12 programs and haven't heard anything yet. Didn't apply to OHIO though. Top programs like SA, Wash, UCLA and a few others are difficult and most residents have at least low 90s+. But most programs are not very competitive and if you have mid 80s, are in the upper half of your class, apply to a dozen programs you will likely get in somewhere. The problem is that if location, cost and repuation are important to you then you will need a stronger application. It all depends on where you want to go. The expensive programs tend to be easier to gain admission than ones that offer stipend. Some programs probably started looking at applications while others won't until after their deadline. Congrats on the interview

 

[sridhar]

where did you apply, i know this year there is an increase in perio app's at least where i am for perio resdiency. Depends on your scores as well.

I have applied to San Antonio,UNC,Bufallo,UCSF(My first preference),Rochester,Ohio,Tennesse,South Carolina, Connecticut, Alabama, Baylor,Houston and Minnisota.I am a International dentist,currently doing MS in Oral Biology at Stony brook.I have a part I score of 93,planning to give Part II soon.How is the program in ur university...it should be a good one since lot of people are applying for it.Anyway iam hoping to get few more interview call this week.

 

[sridhar]

I applied to 12 programs and haven't heard anything yet. Didn't apply to OHIO though. Top programs like SA, Wash, UCLA and a few others are difficult and most residents have at least low 90s+. But most programs are not very competitive and if you have mid 80s, are in the upper half of your class, apply to a dozen programs you will likely get in somewhere. The problem is that if location, cost and repuation are important to you then you will need a stronger application. It all depends on where you want to go. The expensive programs tend to be easier to gain admission than ones that offer stipend. Some programs probably started looking at applications while others won't until after their deadline. Congrats on the interview

I guess they will start to review the appl by next week.I spoke to SA and they said they will start the process this week.I hope atleast i get a interview call from them.I dont know whats happ with UNC.I feel that i have good credentials to atleast get me thru interviews.Goodluck with ur applications....hopefully meet u in some interview.

 

[tx oms]

Hello,
I have applied for 2006 perio programs in 13 universities.

I'm sorry

 

[ip]

Are OMFS residents so self-concious that they need to troll the perio threads?

Wait till private practice.... LOL.

 

[Doggie]

Are OMFS residents so self-concious that they need to troll the perio threads?

Wait till private practice.... LOL.

Exactly........wait till private practice to realize the money is in omfs.

 

[mtheman]

I'm sorry

Don't be sorry, sridhar is the one who was dumb enough to choose the path to eternal damnation (a perio residency) let him/her rot in the horrible world of gum gardening.

 

[Da ObtURator]

just wondering... how much is one implant billed for these days in private practice? Also, are placing implants a routine part of a periodontists day? Has anyone done this uber important research from observing externing a perio office etc.

 

[ajmacgregor]

just wondering... how much is one implant billed for these days in private practice? Also, are placing implants a routine part of a periodontists day? Has anyone done this uber important research from observing externing a perio office etc.

Yes, but the future of perio is questionable. Don't get me wrong, there will always be periodontists who do routine S&RP and gingival surgery, but the days of perio being the "implant specialty" are coming to an end.

One of my friends who is a periodontist (now 4 years out of residency) says, somewhat defeatedly, that now that everyone and their mother is placing implants, the simple cases are being divided by a larger population of practitioners. The more complex cases (those involving complex grafting or complex restorations) are being referred to the OMFS and prosth guys.

Based on my practice as a GP, I'd agree with this. Although I don't personally place implants, I refer the simple cases to the GP down the street and those cases that require extensive bone grafting to OMFS. Perio may advertise as the soft tissue specialty, but they can't hold a candle to OMFS in my book when it comes to bone grafting.

You OMFS-ers watch out - the perios will try to move on to third molars soon, now that the implant well is drying up. I'd advise you to be well-read on the JOMS/Triple O articles on periodontal pathology on the distal aspect of the second molar. DO NOT let the perios encroach upon this area. From personal experience, I've had to refer three patients to an oral surgeon in Boston because they had lingual nerve transections secondary to lower wisdom tooth removal. The culprit in each case was, you guessed it, a periodontist.

Obviously I am a little biased, because of my bad experiences with perios.

 

[OMFSCardsFan]

I don't personally place implants, I refer the simple cases to the GP down the street and those cases that require extensive bone grafting to OMFS. Perio may advertise as the soft tissue specialty, but they can't hold a candle to OMFS in my book when it comes to bone grafting.

You're my boy, Blue!

 

[simpledoc]

From personal experience, I've had to refer three patients to an oral surgeon in Boston because they had lingual nerve transections secondary to lower wisdom tooth removal. The culprit in each case was, you guessed it, a periodontist.

are yu kidding? why would a perio guy want to extract 3rd molars? wouldn't his malpractice insurance go up?

 

[ajmacgregor]

are yu kidding? why would a perio guy want to extract 3rd molars? wouldn't his malpractice insurance go up?

If you have a valid dental license, you can do pretty much whatever you want. That's why GPs can do ortho, endo, oral surgery, perio, etc. One of the perks of being a GP is that you can pick and choose, to some degree, which root canals (if any) you want to do, which teeth you want to extract, etc. and which cases to refer. The art of being a good GP is knowing when to treat and when to refer.

I don't know about malpractice premiums, though I can imagine that they might go up for those practitioners who have been sued for negligence (i.e. the periodontists in my example).

 

[scedd]

Hello,
I have applied for 2006 perio programs in 13 universities. So far I have got only 1 interview call from Ohio state university. I know that deadlines for most of the univ are Sep 1, but most schools start their interview process way before the deadline. Is there anyone who had applied and waiting for interview or got a call from any universities.

Hi Sridhar,
I got interview call from Ohio too....also from rochester and UNC.I will be going to these placeses in the coming weeks.Still i havent heared from most of the universities especially San Antonio and bufallo.If anyone have info about these programs and how the interviews are conducted...please share with us.Thank you

 

[rrc]

If you have a valid dental license, you can do pretty much whatever you want. That's why GPs can do ortho, endo, oral surgery, perio, etc. One of the perks of being a GP is that you can pick and choose, to some degree, which root canals (if any) you want to do, which teeth you want to extract, etc. and which cases to refer. The art of being a good GP is knowing when to treat and when to refer.

I don't know about malpractice premiums, though I can imagine that they might go up for those practitioners who have been sued for negligence (i.e. the periodontists in my example).

That is not true if you advertise as a specialist. For example, an OMFS cannot perform fillings or do bridgework because their practice is limited to OMFS. The same is true for any specialty including periodontics. I do not think removing impacted third molars has anything to do with periodontics and thus would not fall into the category of that specialty. A GP, however, can do such procedures as you've said as their scope is not limited.

 

[drhobie7]

I do not think removing impacted third molars has anything to do with periodontics and thus would not fall into the category of that specialty.

You're right, but I've read on other postings that some perio programs are starting to teach 3rd molar extraction.

 

[Periogod]

Hi Sridhar,
I got interview call from Ohio too....also from rochester and UNC.I will be going to these placeses in the coming weeks.Still i havent heared from most of the universities especially San Antonio and bufallo.If anyone have info about these programs and how the interviews are conducted...please share with us.Thank you

Hello,
If you have not heard from San Antonio then most likely they will not call. They interview in late Aug. and confirm their applicants by the first or second week in Sept.

 

[toofache32]

That is not true if you advertise as a specialist. For example, an OMFS cannot perform fillings or do bridgework because their practice is limited to OMFS. The same is true for any specialty including periodontics. I do not think removing impacted third molars has anything to do with periodontics and thus would not fall into the category of that specialty. A GP, however, can do such procedures as you've said as their scope is not limited.

This varies by state. It depends on if your state has a "specialty law".

 

[OMFSCardsFan]

Hello,
If you have not heard from San Antonio then most likely they will not call. They interview in late Aug. and confirm their applicants by the first or second week in Sept.

If you didn't get this call, I'd say you've got some good Karma on your side. I know this guy, and he'll likely run the program into the ground...

 

[sridhar]

If you didn't get this call, I'd say you've got some good Karma on your side. I know this guy, and he'll likely run the program into the ground...

Why do you say that...i Suppose the perio program in San Antonio is the best in this country.

 

[OMFSCardsFan]

Why do you say that...i Suppose the perio program in San Antonio is the best in this country.

I'm just kidding. He's one of my buddies from dental school. If you read through a lot of these other threads, we throw a lot of **** at each other. It's all in good fun. San Antonio is an excellent place to go for perio. In actuality, if you want to do perio, then you should be bummed if you don't get an interview there. Although, I wouldn't want to follow my buddy in the residency. He's a cocky bastard, just like me...

 

[gumgardener2009]

I applied to 12 programs and haven't heard anything yet.

Why are you two applying to so many programs? Truth is that perio isn't as competitive as other residencies. Save your time and money and pick the ones you do apply to wisely. Worked for me for college, dental school and now perio residencies. 4-6 apps is all you need if you're qualified. Choose one gimme program, a couple of possible programs and a couple of longshots. I applied to 6 programs, got 3 interviews, went to 2, got an offer, cancelled my last interview; all for a grand total of $700. Last year my school's valedictorian applied to 25 ortho programs, interviewed at almost all and spent around 10 G's to get into a program she was almost guaranteed to get into. What a waste. I guess that type of insecurity is what drives that type of person to be top of the class.

 

[LSU-Cowboy]

Exactly........wait till private practice to realize the money is in omfs.

Ahhhhh.........the confidence of a hygienist with a scalpel....Rock on Doggie!

 

[toofache32]

Last year my school's valedictorian applied to 25 ortho programs, interviewed at almost all and spent around 10 G's to get into a program she was almost guaranteed to get into. What a waste. I guess that type of insecurity is what drives that type of person to be top of the class.

It's all about stacking the odds in your favor. Every year there are plenty of people with the numbers to match who don't match for whatever reason. I think it's still cheaper to apply everywhere with a shotgun approach than it is to sit out another year and lose another year of income as a specialist. Sure, there are people who everyone knows will get a spot, but there's really no way to "guarantee" that it will happen.

The number of places you apply is an indirect measure of how bad you want that specialty, to an extent. I had classmates who would only apply to specialties at our dental school because they didn't want to move anywhere else. When they didn't match, they just went into private practice and didn't even re-apply the next year. In my mind, those are the people that didn't want it bad enough, which is good because it keeps the avenues open for those that do.

 

[archer123]

Why are you two applying to so many programs? Truth is that perio isn't as competitive as other residencies. Save your time and money and pick the ones you do apply to wisely. Worked for me for college, dental school and now perio residencies. 4-6 apps is all you need if you're qualified. Choose one gimme program, a couple of possible programs and a couple of longshots. I applied to 6 programs, got 3 interviews, went to 2, got an offer, cancelled my last interview; all for a grand total of $700. Last year my school's valedictorian applied to 25 ortho programs, interviewed at almost all and spent around 10 G's to get into a program she was almost guaranteed to get into. What a waste. I guess that type of insecurity is what drives that type of person to be top of the class.

I don't think 12 is too many. I'm applying to 10. Maybe if you are an outstanding student 4 applications is enough, but if you are like me and in the middle of your class with a 91 then it is wise to apply to more programs. Even with perio being less competitive than everything but pros, you can't just walk into a program. I'd rather spend an extra $1000 and increase my odds than risk not getting in at all.

 

[ItsGavinC]

I don't think 12 is too many. I'm applying to 10. Maybe if you are an outstanding student 4 applications is enough, but if you are like me and in the middle of your class with a 91 then it is wise to apply to more programs. Even with perio being less competitive than everything but pros, you can't just walk into a program. I'd rather spend an extra $1000 and increase my odds than risk not getting in at all.

I think that is a sound philosophy, and certainly that extra grand is nothing compared to the income you'd lose if you have to reapply again next year.

 

[gryffindor]

It's all about stacking the odds in your favor. Every year there are plenty of people with the numbers to match who don't match for whatever reason. I think it's still cheaper to apply everywhere with a shotgun approach than it is to sit out another year and lose another year of income as a specialist. Sure, there are people who everyone knows will get a spot, but there's really no way to "guarantee" that it will happen.

The number of places you apply is an indirect measure of how bad you want that specialty, to an extent. I had classmates who would only apply to specialties at our dental school because they didn't want to move anywhere else. When they didn't match, they just went into private practice and didn't even re-apply the next year. In my mind, those are the people that didn't want it bad enough, which is good because it keeps the avenues open for those that do.

I like this line of thinking.

I wish I was a "shoe-in" somewhere. I guess I used that card up for dental school admissions.

 

[Doggie]

I like this line of thinking.

I wish I was a "shoe-in" somewhere. I guess I used that card up for dental school admissions.

Dont worry. You will soon find that shoe. Good luck.

 

[sara25]

Hello,

Most application deadlines were around Sept. 1 for most programs. I was curious to know when you guys sent in your applications. I sent mine in at the beginning of August and I'm wondering if it was too late??? Maybe all interviews had already been scheduled and my app. got there too late?

 

[Johnson22]

I heard that there are perio/pros combined residencies. Is this true and where are they. How hard are they to get in to?