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Setting up a zoom and having pronation ask the panel total toenail replacement sturgeon questions will be fun
there will be a public Town Hall on podiatric board certification at the Gaylord Opryland in Nashville this Friday, July 14, from 7:30-9:30 PM in Jackson E/F Rooms. Beer and wine will be served. Sign up on this link
Why would I create a forum for you guys/gals to air your grievances when this is how you respond?
Seriously. Can you be professional?
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I'm not sure I understand the town hall, out of everyone there ABPM is the only legitimate one for podiatry. ABMSP is for old pods that never got ABFAS (or ABOPPM) and will gradually just die off as old pods do and ABLES (I feel) is just a scam.
It is curious indeed.I'm not sure I understand the town hall, out of everyone there ABPM is the only legitimate one for podiatry. ABMSP is for old pods that never got ABFAS (or ABOPPM) and will gradually just die off as old pods do and ABLES (I feel) is just a scam.
I don't think there is much to debate....If it is right or wrong for ABFAS to behave how they are towards ABPM that is certainly up for debate. ...
I personally think a more entertaining meeting would be a town hall meeting with ABPM, APMA and CPME discussing their opinions on the CAQ in surgery.
I remember when everyone was releasing statements. Maybe there would be nothing more to learn, but I though it might be interesting to see questions answered with all parties in the same room versus everyone just releasing statements.APMA and CPME have already voiced their concerns regarding ABPM/Rogers CAQ in surgery. Both organizations are against it. You can read their statements at the following links.
Once I got ABPM I no longer cared about the other board. I just want to make sure ABPM does implode... It would be nice to have one board though.Feli seems happy with the status quo. He is already certified by the “alternate board”, as he calls it. He’s received his numerous extensions from the non-alternate board.
Many others think the process can be improved.
We have one degree, one residency program, one license, but two boards; the haves and the have-nots. Two boards for the same residency creates the division and the ability for some in the profession to act on their anti-competition by creating unfair rules as gatekeeper of the OR.
ABPM’s general counsel, Keith Greer, addressed the APMA BOT on Wednesday. He’s been fighting discrimination against podiatrists for 30 years. He reported that about 10 years ago there was a major change. Now, rarely is the opponent an orthopedic surgeon, it’s another podiatrist.
ABFAS podiatrists do not hold down other podiatrists. Podiatrists hold down other podiatrists due to greed and saturation. ABFAS is just a tool SOME used when they had input for credentialing and in some cases the intention may have been sincere (even if it might not have technically been legal) and many other times it might been largely self serving (which is hard to prove) to limit competition. Before residencies were standardized restricting or not allowing privileges based on type and length of residency was a more common way to do this.Dr rogers nailed it. Once people get abfas certified they are pro abfas so they can hold other non abfas podiatrists down
Exactly. It’s an echo chamber meeting for the them to talk about things that won’t change anything since ABFAS won’t be there.
SDN gets labeled as an echo chamber I would say the profession of podiatry and it’s leadership are the same exact thing.
me on April 27: said:Hopefully I'm not the only person who noticed that @diabeticfootdr has been awfully quiet since the APMSA stupidity began. Someone must have told him he's doing more harm than good.
Shame. While I disagreed strenuously on much of his positions, he kept this forum interesting. Even if his position on job market saturation is misguided, we're just an echo chamber without his counterpoints.
Well said. I am still not willing to open a practice but hear, hear!ABFAS podiatrists do not hold down other podiatrists. Podiatrists hold down other podiatrists due to greed and saturation. ABFAS is just a tool SOME used when they had input for credentialing and in some cases the intention may have been sincere (even if it might not have technically been legal) and many other times it might been largely self serving (which is hard to prove) to limit competition. Before residencies were standardized restricting or not allowing privileges based on type and length of residency was a more common way to do this.
So if we all have the same residency and same boards some day, great we can all get hospital privileges. It is not the 80s anymore. Yes in some areas not having ABFAS might still cause some problems here which is sad but true.
You still better be willing to open your own practice as there are not many good jobs. ABFAS does not move mountains for you when you open your own office versus having ABPM or hold the ABPM podiatrist down that opens their office.
Once you do open your own practice and have your privileges be prepared for other things. Some areas are wonderful and podiatrists are collegial with each other and in other cases they report each other to the boards and try to drive lawsuits if seeing unhappy patients from another podiatrist. In most cases this far extreme is the exception, but it really is the climate in some areas and they will not care if you are ABPM or ABFAS when acting this way.
ABFAS podiatrists do not hold down other podiatrists. Podiatrists hold down other podiatrists due to greed and saturation. ABFAS is just a tool SOME used when they had input for credentialing and in some cases the intention may have been sincere (even if it might not have technically been legal) and many other times it might been largely self serving (which is hard to prove) to limit competition. Before residencies were standardized restricting or not allowing privileges based on type and length of residency was a more common way to do this.
So if we all have the same residency and same boards some day, great we can all get hospital privileges. It is not the 80s anymore. Yes in some areas not having ABFAS might still cause some problems here which is sad but true.
You still better be willing to open your own practice as there are not many good jobs. ABFAS does not move mountains for you when you open your own office versus having ABPM or hold the ABPM podiatrist down that opens their office.
Once you do open your own practice and have your privileges be prepared for other things. Some areas are wonderful and podiatrists are collegial with each other and in other cases they report each other to the boards and try to drive lawsuits if seeing unhappy patients from another podiatrist. In most cases this far extreme is the exception, but it really is the climate in some areas and they will not care if you are ABPM or ABFAS when acting this way.
lol. No sorry it does not work like that. You are far too young, my padawan.My 2C:
I see potential advantages in CAQs for enhancing podiatrists' skills, expanding their practice scope, and opening up career opportunities.
This is accurateI'm not sure I understand the town hall, out of everyone there ABPM is the only legitimate one for podiatry. ABMSP is for old pods that never got ABFAS (or ABOPPM) and will gradually just die off as old pods do and ABLES (I feel) is just a scam.
This was my plan all along and now that I am certified it has been implemented.Dr rogers nailed it. Once people get abfas certified they are pro abfas so they can hold other non abfas podiatrists down
I don't think the echo chamber thing works, that is a common phrase used throughout society. Lobster podiatry is your legacy. You should be proud, you have earned it.I take credit for introducing "echo chamber" into our vernacular, along with "lobster podiatry"
ABFAS is too hard tbh. Make the case review more lax without nitpicking for personal preference and all this infighting goes away. If all of us rather than half of us were ABFAS cert we would be happy and could move on.
Until a rework happens and the percentage of podiatrists who pass board certification increases there will only be more and more new podiatrists fed up with ABFAS each year. The majority of new grads just want hospital privileges and to be on insurances so we can keep working our crappy jobs and pay off our student loans. We don’t have the time to be doing massive recons we shouldn’t be doing on patients that would have a need for a critical BC approval process.
The gatekeeper for who should and shouldn’t operate should be the state board and the hospitals, not ABFAS. Just my opinion.
We have so many hoops we already have to jump through (undergrad, mcat, pod school, residency, 3 board exams, 300-400k debt, state and dea licensing) just to make 100k a year lol
Is there a link yet? @diabeticfootdr
Please keep memes to meme thread.You should be honored it a Ryan Reynolds gif…View attachment 374264
This is exactly right^...People lose points because they switch jobs too frequently and can not get the required documentation or their documentation is complete crap. You are already screwed if you can’t even check all the required documentation boxes.
...Podiatrists get burned out because their lives suck due to crappy job prospects, stress over poor ROI and they are currently getting fisted by their private practice owner.
Please stop this narrative that ABFAS is too hard. Their are a ton of idiots who managed to get board certified by ABFAS.
Lowering the bar is not the answer. That makes us all look bad. (I say this as someone not yet ABFAS cert, failed case review last year)ABFAS is too hard tbh....
...Until a rework happens and the percentage of podiatrists who pass board certification increases there will only be more and more new podiatrists fed up with ABFAS each year. ...
Lol. If "numerous extensions" means one renew of my ABFAS BQ as the policy from my grad date allows (by passing the new CBPS and the didactic exams again), then yes. Guilty as charged. Hundreds of people did the same. We all play the rules and hand we are dealt.Feli seems happy with the status quo. He is already certified by the “alternate board”, as he calls it. He’s received his numerous extensions from the non-alternate board...
This is an accurate post.I’ve passed every single board exam podiatry has thrown at me from school and now as an attending on the first time. It’s not hard. Nothing is hard in podiatry.
People lose points because they switch jobs too frequently and can not get the required documentation or their documentation is complete crap. You are already screwed if you can’t even check all the required documentation boxes.
People should know the rules for passing ABFAS and take some responsibility. As soon as you graduate residency you should learn what the process is and plan accordingly. Problem is people don’t and then they cry. Take some responsibility for your career.
Podiatry is not hard. It’s not stressful. If you get burned out it is not due to the volume of work or complexity because this is not complex.
Podiatrists get burned out because their lives suck due to crappy job prospects, stress over poor ROI and they are currently getting fisted by their private practice owner.
Please stop this narrative that ABFAS is too hard. Their are a ton of idiots who managed to get board certified by ABFAS.
100% .......The only thing unfair is DPMs do get shafted and have to move around a lot early in their career. ....
But it’ll help you get a hospital/MSG gig!!! Blasphemy. 😜Man I can't wait until ABFAS dies off as an organization so all this can end. It's really embarrassing as a profession seeing people actively try to pursue ABFAS in 2023. You are better off throwing your money in the fireplace and heating your house
Man I can't wait until ABFAS dies off as an organization so all this can end. It's really embarrassing as a profession seeing people actively try to pursue ABFAS in 2023. You are better off throwing your money in the fireplace and heating your house
Yes really. ABFAS is by far the worst exam in terms of testing knowledge and experience. If you consider asking questions about pixelated x-rays and bunion procedures from the 1970's "legitimate testing about knowledge and experience", then I have a bridge to sell youReally? All the boards are terrible. ABFAS is by far the most legitimate in terms of testing knowledge and experience. I've never met someone who did not pass the ABPM board exam.
Yes really. ABFAS is by far the worst exam in terms of testing knowledge and experience. If you consider asking questions about pixelated x-rays and bunion procedures from the 1970's "legitimate testing about knowledge and experience", then I have a bridge to sell you
I know that if you suck at surgery and your crappy case gets picked for ABFAS and you fail the exam then you most likely suck at surgery.
If you take the ABPM exam which you pass since they don’t fail anyone and you get a CAQ in surgery nobody would know you suck ay surgery.
Sorry I have a problem with this.
Now let’s say you do suck at surgery and fail ABFAS.
Does that mean you shouldn’t be allowed to see patients in a nonoperative clinic on insurances that require ABFAS?
Or for those that keep hospital privileges for I&Ds and toe amps - just because they can’t do a triple correctly or a lapidus is it right that they’re barred from doing simple operative procedures?
Just like every first year in residency right.If you can’t do basic foot elective surgery you have no business doing limb salvage and attempting to salvage complicated infections in complicated patients. NONE.
Just like every first year in residency right.
I’ve worked with many doctors who are fantastic with limb salvage and not good with elective procedures to be honest.
We are talking toe amps and abscesses not ex fixes
Just like every first year in residency right.
I’ve worked with many doctors who are fantastic with limb salvage and not good with elective procedures to be honest.
We are talking toe amps and abscesses not ex fixes
Cant miss out on that delayed primary closure codepoor decisions (like closing a previously acutely infected wound), etc
This is a myth.... on insurances that require ABFAS? ...
This is the way of the hospital employed pod.Cant miss out on that delayed primary closure code